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View Poll Results: Who is the best mlb?
Ray Lewis 23 13.14%
Brian Urlacher 104 59.43%
Zach Thomas 9 5.14%
Al Wilson 3 1.71%
Mike Peterson 3 1.71%
Jonathan Vilma 14 8.00%
London Fletcher 2 1.14%
Demeco Ryans 14 8.00%
Lofa Tatupu 3 1.71%
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Old 04-07-2007, 01:52 PM    (permalink
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RAY LEWIS BY MILES!!!!!!!!!!

Do i need to remind anyone of Urlacher pissing his pants against the steelers a year ago? when Bettis HAMMERED HIM and made him look like a Junior Varisty kicker. Ray Lewis on the other hand can do everything. He is also the best All time.
You must have missed Tatum Bell(TATUM *FREAKING* BELL) make Ray Lewis look like a SCHOOLGIRL earlier THIS YEAR(which is much more relevant since we are talking about right now). You're comparing being run over by a then probably around 280 pound RB known for power to being run dragged 5 yards by a 210 pound runningback known for going down on the first hit. Yeah, that sure proves Ray Lewis is better.
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but right now its Urlacher & Ray Lewis
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i think its Brian Urlacher now, but recent years ago it was Ray Lewis.
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Urlacher by a lightyear.
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seems to be an obvious Urlacher answer.

i would have loved to say Vilma, but as long as he's in a base 3-4 we'll never know how good he can/could be. u can't say Vilma based on the fact that u "think" he'd be the best if he was playing in a 4-3 regularily. sad.

I just don't see anyone who u can say over Urlacher at this point in time.
Ray is past his prime, and although he did a lot in the past, its not right now.
Vilma isn't in a 4-3 and isn't that great in the 3-4
Wilson lacks the coverage ability of Urlacher, although i think he's an awesome player
Ryans was only a rookie, and anything can happen in the future. he's not the best right now, which is the question
Zach Thomas has never gotten the rep he deserves, and to say he's the best right now wouldn't be correct either.
I'm not the biggest fan of Fletcher, although very solid, isn't the best
Peterson is a tackle machine and a tough guy but is really helped with argueably the best DT tandem in the league. he does a great job, but i'm sure many would in his position also, so its impossible to say. but he clearly isn't #1 either.

Urlacher does a bit of everything and does it well. took his team to the superbowl, and has a defensive player of the year last year (with the stats and game tape to back it up)
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Just about every player on that list is someone I love to watch, but any vote for someone other than Urlacher is a disappointment. Come on, guys.

Urlacher is a physical specimen who is better than everyone else.
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I don't even like him and its still Urlacher! :D

No in all seriousness Brian Urlacher is definitely the best at the position right now and you could even argue that Bart Scott is better then Ray Lewis on his own team. Ray was great in his prime but now is more in favor of allowing his teammates make the plays and its becoming more prevalent that Ed Reed is the emotional leader of the Defense more so then Ray Lewis. Ray is still better then many of the MLB in the game but to say he's better then Urlacher in this stage of his career is ridiculous.
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Im personally not a fan of the Urlacher hype. I don't see it. I just dont think he's as good as everyone makes him out to be.

Personally, if I could have one guy, its Zach Thomas. I think he's the best in the league.

If you want to break it down scheme wise.

Cover 2
1. Urlacher
2. Vilma (although if Vilma was ever in a True Tampa 2, I think Id take him over Urlacher. He has better instincts and intelligence).
3. Donnie Edwards

Traditional 4-3
1. Zach Thomas
2. Al Wilson
3. Antonio Pierce
4. Ray Lewis (had to find a home for him somewhere)
5. DeMeco (although its hard for me to put a rookie this high)

3-4
Difficult to define. I can name a bunch here. Id say Zach Thomas and Tedy Bruschi are names that stand out to me, but we can go a wide variety of ways here.

I didn't include Mike Peterson because of 2 reasons.
1. He's gonna most likely play WILL next year
2. I question how well he'd play at MIKE if he didnt have that DT duo in front of him
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He does. But he's rarely healthy. He's been injured 3 out 4 years now. I think Carolina should look for a replacement and part ways.
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Quoted For Truth, he's not the best but he doesn't get enough credit.
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Eh...he's a WILL.

He only survives at MIKE because of those mammoth DTs in front of him.

Even then, he wasn't Ray Lewis or Brian Urlacher circa 2003 with the same DTs up front.

He's better suited at WILL.
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Eh...he's a WILL.

He only survives at MIKE because of those mammoth DTs in front of him.

Even then, he wasn't Ray Lewis or Brian Urlacher circa 2003 with the same DTs up front.

He's better suited at WILL.
Now thats Quoted For Truth! Peterson is a good linebacker but isn't a top tier MLB by any stretch of the imagination.
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Will Witherspoon. Geno Hayes. (throwing in some names)
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Will Witherspoon. Geno Hayes. (throwing in some names)
There names but thats about it. Neither of them are upper class MLB's and have no business being associated with the talent of Urlacher or Ray Lewis or a J. Vilma and the like.
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There names but thats about it. Neither of them are upper class MLB's and have no business being associated with the talent of Urlacher or Ray Lewis or a J. Vilma and the like.
um actually both are very good MLBs but not elite like Urlacher. i just posted names

its clear cut Urlacher is #1 right now. Vilma is my favorite but hes a 3-4..dont bring up 4-3 because hes not in it. Lewis is still a very good player but not better than Urlacher today
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How the hell does DeMeco Ryans have more votes than Vilma? Granted; he's good and he had a great rookie year but there's no way he's better than Vilma.
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Just another example of how after one good year the bandwagon explodes. Vilma is definitely a quality MLB but he's being underutilized due to the 3-4 defense. But that could all change this year since he has a year of it under his belt and should be better prepared this year. I look forward to watching him and seeing how he's better adapted to that defense.
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One name that isn't getting a lot of mention but deserves it is Donnie Edwards. He's been stellar for the Chargers and is a big reason for their success. He's probably the best ILB at playing the pass in the NFL and he has great sideline-to-sideline ability. Come to think of it, I'd place him second only to Urlacher.
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One name that isn't getting a lot of mention but deserves it is Donnie Edwards. He's been stellar for the Chargers and is a big reason for their success. He's probably the best ILB at playing the pass in the NFL and he has great sideline-to-sideline ability. Come to think of it, I'd place him second only to Urlacher.
He'll thrive in Cover 2 at KC.

He survived ILB in the 3-4 because he had Jamal Williams eating up 2 to 3 olinemen every play. Had he played in the 3-4 for other teams, I dont know if he'd have the same success.

One thing I love about Edwards though is he plays much bigger than he is. He can play all 3 LB positions, and can play any system.

One of the more underrated players in this league. If age doesn't catch him this year, he'll thrive in Cover 2.
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He'll thrive in Cover 2 at KC.

He survived ILB in the 3-4 because he had Jamal Williams eating up 2 to 3 olinemen every play. Had he played in the 3-4 for other teams, I dont know if he'd have the same success.

One thing I love about Edwards though is he plays much bigger than he is. He can play all 3 LB positions, and can play any system.

One of the more underrated players in this league. If age doesn't catch him this year, he'll thrive in Cover 2.
I agree. I love watching him play. He reminds me of Ray Lewis the way he flies around the field making plays. Plus, he's a great leader.
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wow you should have the best overall career easily ray lewis will win that because you just jumped on urlachers band wagon because he had two great seasons but wait this will be ray lewis's year then you wanna jump on his band wagon
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wow you should have the best overall career easily ray lewis will win that because you just jumped on urlachers band wagon because he had two great seasons but wait this will be ray lewis's year then you wanna jump on his band wagon
Junior you are delusional if you think that at this point in time Ray Lewis is better then Brian Urlacher. Ray Lewis is no doubt a Hall of Famer and one of the best but Brian Urlacher is the King of the Mountain right now. Ray may in fact have a good year this year but there are too many weapons on the Ravens' defense for him to be the threat he once was.
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wow you should have the best overall career easily ray lewis will win that because you just jumped on urlachers band wagon because he had two great seasons but wait this will be ray lewis's year then you wanna jump on his band wagon
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2001 116 6
2002 151 4.5
2003 116 2.5
2004 70 5.5
2005 121 6
2006 141 0

5 pro-bowls, 2000 Defensive rookie of the year, and 2005 Defensive player of the year.

Yeah to bad he only had 2 good years. Listen it's fine to like Ray over Urlacher, but saying he only had 2 great seasons is just ignorant.
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2000 124 8
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2003 116 2.5
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2005 121 6
2006 141 0

5 pro-bowls, 2000 Defensive rookie of the year, and 2005 Defensive player of the year.

Yeah to bad he only had 2 good years. Listen it's fine to like Ray over Urlacher, but saying he only had 2 great seasons is just ignorant.
He's probably 12.
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