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Mallett was never considered a lesser prospect than Ponder/Gabbert/Locker/Dalton either.

Nearly every predraft report before the 2011 draft had Mallett rated a solid 1st rounder.

IMO he's still that guy.
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Mallett was consistently rated behind Locker and once teams forgot about the game film Gabbert to. I know you love this guy, but he was a deeply flawed prospect even before the issues with coke.
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Mallett was consistently rated behind Locker and once teams forgot about the game film Gabbert to. I know you love this guy, but he was a deeply flawed prospect even before the issues with coke.

There was nothing football related about the reason Mallett fell in the draft behind Locker and Gabbert.

One guy couldn't throw more than 16 TDs in a QB friendly spread attack in the Big 12.

The other one was still more RB than a QB that scouts were hoping would one day develop into something he never was in college; a consistent passer and decision maker with the football.

Maybe some of you don't remember Mallet's career at Arkansas, or how well he played.

Locker and Gabby were better athletes than Mallett, but there's no credible argument they were better QBs than he was coming out.
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There was nothing football related about the reason Mallett fell in the draft behind Locker and Gabbert.

One guy couldn't throw more than 16 TDs in a QB friendly spread attack in the Big 12.

The other one was still more RB than a QB that scouts were hoping would one day develop into something he never was in college; a consistent passer and decision maker with the football.

Maybe some of you don't remember Mallet's career at Arkansas, or how well he played.

Locker and Gabby were better athletes than Mallett, but there's no credible argument they were better QBs than he was coming out.
I just don't understand what anybody ever saw in Gabbert that made him the 1st overall pick. I think he is a bigger bust than Jawalrus. Atleast Jawaulrus had insane upside and played well in college.
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There was nothing football related about the reason Mallett fell in the draft behind Locker and Gabbert.

One guy couldn't throw more than 16 TDs in a QB friendly spread attack in the Big 12.

The other one was still more RB than a QB that scouts were hoping would one day develop into something he never was in college; a consistent passer and decision maker with the football.

Maybe some of you don't remember Mallet's career at Arkansas, or how well he played.

Locker and Gabby were better athletes than Mallett, but there's no credible argument they were better QBs than he was coming out.
I just don't get your facination with this guy. His career at Arkansas is why people where so worried about the stones attached to his ankles and how long he took to decide where to go with the ball and get it out there. Gabbert should never have been picked on the first two days of the draft and it was obvious why, but as soon as GMs where able to forget about all of his terrible tape he flew past Mallet because of how big those flaws in his game where.

Locker was simply a better a prospect since his issues where at least fixable especially if he could be put in a competent offense for once, whereas there ain't much you can do about Bledsoe-feet or Leftwhich-release.
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I just don't understand what anybody ever saw in Gabbert that made him the 1st overall pick. I think he is a bigger bust than Jawalrus. Atleast Jawaulrus had insane upside and played well in college.
It's pretty simple. As long as you ignore all of Gabbert's tape and how big a ***** he is...and just focus on how pretty he looks throwing the ball in drills and how impressive the measureables are seems like a franchise QB...
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Gabbert was straight tools. He was big, athletic, and has a strong arm. Physically he isn't missing anything, but he just isn't a good QB. He is a cautionary tale of being a post season riser
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I just don't get your facination with this guy. His career at Arkansas is why people where so worried about the stones attached to his ankles and how long he took to decide where to go with the ball and get it out there. Gabbert should never have been picked on the first two days of the draft and it was obvious why, but as soon as GMs where able to forget about all of his terrible tape he flew past Mallet because of how big those flaws in his game where.

Locker was simply a better a prospect since his issues where at least fixable especially if he could be put in a competent offense for once, whereas there ain't much you can do about Bledsoe-feet or Leftwhich-release.
FYI just google scouting reports for Mallett prior to the 2011 draft. Nowhere will you find anyone questioning his release as being slow.
Watch his highlights on YT. His release isn't a liability or reminiscent of Leftwich.

What you will see is the constant refrain that Mallett was the most pro ready QB in his draft class.

Mallett isn't a great athlete at the QB position, but what exactly is it he needs to be able to do as a QB that requires better wheels??

He's not going to run 15 yards to pick up first downs. That's not his game. He's not a scrambler.
But it's not like Rivers or Brady needed top level straightline speed either to be effective NFL QBs.

I don't know of any QB who failed in the league because they couldn't run.

Just show me one scouting report where anyone says Mallett was a slow decision maker. First time hearing that is in this thread.

I like Locker but he was a tools prospect just like Gabbert.
You'd be hard pressed to put together a cutup of Locker looking like a better pro QB prospect than Mallett.

And I hate the comparison to Derek Anderson. Similar tools, but their games aren't nearly the same at all.

IF...... Mallett becomes an 'overnight sensation' during the 2015 season, I won't gloat about it.

But I will ask how come people doubted it was even possible??

The signs were there.
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Yea, I don't think the release was slow, but he was definitely slow footed as all hell..
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Yea, I don't think the release was slow, but he was definitely slow footed as all hell..
His release was slow when he was at Michigan. They cleaned it up quite a bit at Arkansas.
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I'm on the 'Mallett's not that good' bandwagon. I don't see any solid evidence that he's desired by other teams.
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If giving the chance to start, Mallet will end up as at least the 3rd best QB in the draft.
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Mallett will sit on the bench for the last year of his contract, then leave for a starting job in free agency. He's there in NE in case Tom Brady gets injured, but Jimmy Garoppolo is their future QB when Brady retires.
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His release was slow when he was at Michigan. They cleaned it up quite a bit at Arkansas.
Yeah that's my bad, kinda spazzed out on how much he did improve that release, but his feet where still Leftwhich/Bledsoe slow and even at arkansas he wasn't making quick reads and getting the ball out immediately to compensate for that atrocious footwork.

He's a prospect with tools, but so many like Funbuncher made Mallet out to be some kind of franchise QB, when he was a seriously flawed prospect, even before the coke abuse came out.
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I don't know... I've said this before, but if you're down to criticizing a QB prospect's footwork, you really just don't have anything about him to complain about since that's universally an issue with every rookie QB and one of the easiest things for NFL QB coaches to fix at the pro level. Just look at Nick Foles. Fell to the 3rd round because he was a "statue" was otherwise a first round pick. Got to the NFL and is now actually pretty mobile and fluid in the pocket.

Bledsoe and Leftwich had both been beat to hell and endured countless injuries (whether the injuries kept them out of games or not) that just wrecked their already limited mobility.
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I don't know... I've said this before, but if you're down to criticizing a QB prospect's footwork, you really just don't have anything about him to complain about since that's universally an issue with every rookie QB and one of the easiest things for NFL QB coaches to fix at the pro level. Just look at Nick Foles. Fell to the 3rd round because he was a "statue" was otherwise a first round pick. Got to the NFL and is now actually pretty mobile and fluid in the pocket.

Bledsoe and Leftwich had both been beat to hell and endured countless injuries (whether the injuries kept them out of games or not) that just wrecked their already limited mobility.
It's not just that his footwork was sloppy though, that's something every QB has to fix, but his feet were incredibly slow, on top of being sloppy. And there's just not much you can do about speeding up a QBs feet. That's why it's not about running or speed, tom brady is slow as ****, but he has very quick feet and so has become great at moving around the pocket, Cokey on the otherhand just won't get there.

I didn't scout Foles that heavily, but while he didn't move well he didn't look like he was moving his feet through mud like Mallett, just that he didn't really know what to do with them and how to make his movement more efficient. And lets see what comes of Foles in year two. Many a QB have put together one impressive season before returning to obscurity, and it wouldn't surprise me if teams figured out how to attack Foles this season.
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Cam was #1, not Gabbert. I am still extremely pleased the Titans took Locker over Gabbert though.

I really wanted JJ Watt and then to get Mallet, Dalton or Kaepernick in the 2nd if one was there. In highsight, one of them was and the guy I wanted was is an all-pro
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if i were in charge of a franchise that needed to take a chance on a large frame pocket passer i'd try Osweiler before Mallet...
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One of the most extensive clips of Mallett playing in preseason. Check out the throw at 5:50 (and the unbelievably dirty hit on the next play.) Passes like that are why I think he could start in the NFL.

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Sugar Bowl game where he put pro throws on the money left and right:

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Mallett was consistently rated behind Locker and once teams forgot about the game film Gabbert to. I know you love this guy, but he was a deeply flawed prospect even before the issues with coke.
He struggled with lots of things, but I thought he was the best pure passer in the group. Whether his issues were fixable were debatable but he loved to overthrow the intermediate passes and he still does.

He definitely has moments where he can be amazing (because he has tools) but he has some serious struggles with intermediate passing at times, especially over the middle.
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He struggled with lots of things, but I thought he was the best pure passer in the group. Whether his issues were fixable were debatable but he loved to overthrow the intermediate passes and he still does.

He definitely has moments where he can be amazing (because he has tools) but he has some serious struggles with intermediate passing at times, especially over the middle.
Eh, he was the best guy at going deep because those routes gave him time to get his feet in position so his accuracy wasn't off, and he had time to scan the field since he wasn't the quickest decision maker, then he could show of that big arm, but those are a small part of the game when the protection is good enough and he can do his thing. A real franchise QB needs to excel in the rest of the passing game to.
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It would have taken a lot for the Pats to trade Mallett. They can't afford to lose his experience in the system while Brady is still the #1. If Brady goes down and Mallett isn't there, the Pats are ******. They need him this year, but won't be able to afford to re-sign him in 2015.
If Brady goes down for an extended period of time, they are done regardless. Better to assume he stay healthy and draft somebody who can help the team. In round 2, that is.
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It's not just that his footwork was sloppy though, that's something every QB has to fix, but his feet were incredibly slow, on top of being sloppy. And there's just not much you can do about speeding up a QBs feet. That's why it's not about running or speed, tom brady is slow as ****, but he has very quick feet and so has become great at moving around the pocket, Cokey on the otherhand just won't get there.
Foot quickness is one of those things that a lot of draftniks overlook, and it's even something that a lot of NFL people seem to overlook. When you go back and read interviews with guys like Bill Walsh and Ron Wolf, who could seemingly pull QBs out of their asses, they talk about foot quickness.
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FYI just google scouting reports for Mallett prior to the 2011 draft. Nowhere will you find anyone questioning his release as being slow.
Watch his highlights on YT. His release isn't a liability or reminiscent of Leftwich.

What you will see is the constant refrain that Mallett was the most pro ready QB in his draft class.

Mallett isn't a great athlete at the QB position, but what exactly is it he needs to be able to do as a QB that requires better wheels??

He's not going to run 15 yards to pick up first downs. That's not his game. He's not a scrambler.
But it's not like Rivers or Brady needed top level straightline speed either to be effective NFL QBs.

I don't know of any QB who failed in the league because they couldn't run.

Just show me one scouting report where anyone says Mallett was a slow decision maker. First time hearing that is in this thread.

I like Locker but he was a tools prospect just like Gabbert.
You'd be hard pressed to put together a cutup of Locker looking like a better pro QB prospect than Mallett.

And I hate the comparison to Derek Anderson. Similar tools, but their games aren't nearly the same at all.

IF...... Mallett becomes an 'overnight sensation' during the 2015 season, I won't gloat about it.

But I will ask how come people doubted it was even possible??

The signs were there.
You say the signs were there but I'm just not seeing it. NE drafted another QB with a high pick which indicates to me that they aren't interested in retaining Mallett. Strike one!!!

O'Brien, the HC from Houston coached Mallett, yet for all the rumors, there isn't much of a sign that he is really pursuing Mallett all that hard. Strike 2

Mallett was a 3rd round pick with character issues and didn't have much of a senior season. While with NE, he hasn't done a thing to standout in training camp or during the exhibition season, Strike 3

He's been in the league for years yet, nobody is rushing to trade for him. Strike 4

At this point, you have nothing to substantiate your claims that he is special other than your opinion and speculation. If Houston wanted this guy, they are pretty desperate at the QB position, then I would imagine they would traded for him prior to the draft, instead they waited till the draft was complete and still no trade.

O'Brien cannot be offering a great package for Mallett and they know him best, otherwise NE would have made the trade already and if Houston doesn't want him, after O'Brien coached him, Mallett's value will sink through the floor.
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