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Old 05-14-2014, 08:58 PM    (permalink
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so... funbuncher, you say "I'm 100% positive that GB/Detroit/New Orl/Indy/Carolina/Denver/SF/Seattle are perfectly willing to trade their starting QBs. The problem is that the cost of doing so would be devastating for most teams."

where are you pulling that info from? no way that rodgers, brees, luck, newton, manning, kaep or wilson get moved... i can't see a scenario where any GM puts so much juice into a trade that sways any of these teams to move on from these guys.
i guess it's one opinion vs. another, but really???
His point is that everyone has their price, and even Rodgers would get shipped out of a town if a team offered the Packers their next decade's worth of first and second rounders. I.E. if offered the next hershell walker trade even an elite QB in his prime could be moved.
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I disagree that everyone has their price when talking about sure fire hall of fame QBs in the peaks of their careers. The backlash would be so insane as far as ticket sales, and let's not forget how powerful social media has gotten. Imagine the media storm. No ******* way. But it's a moot point in the Ryan Mallett discussion.
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I think you're getting pushback because you're implying that the drafting of Garoppolo strengthens the team's belief in Mallett instead of undermining it.

I get what you're saying about their plan for the next two years but I think that's them banking on Tom being back (both figuratively and literally) in 2015. I just don't think Mallett is in their long term plans at all. He just isn't a good fit in that offense. If the plan is for McDaniels to eventually take over for BB, how can he think Mallett can operate in it when his short and medium range accuracy is spotty at best and awful at worst? He's purely an old school throw it downfield off of play action type of passer.
They drafted Garoppolo because they can't/don't want to afford to re-sign Mallett to be the backup after 2014. It's a pretty basic situation that I'm not sure why people are struggling to comprehend and arguing with me about. They drafted Garoppolo now to give themselves as much opportunity as possible to get Mallett's successor right.

Just like they did when Cassel was entering his last year and they drafted O'Connell in the 3rd. O'Connell didn't work out, so they had to take another swing at it with Hoyer. Hitting on 1 out of 2 is easier than hitting on 1 out of 1.

He's thrown 4 passes in his career in complete blowouts 2 years ago. Saying anything about his accuracy is just silly. He's never played with decent receivers or a receiving TE in the pre-season.
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I disagree that everyone has their price when talking about sure fire hall of fame QBs in the peaks of their careers. The backlash would be so insane as far as ticket sales, and let's not forget how powerful social media has gotten. Imagine the media storm. No ******* way. But it's a moot point in the Ryan Mallett discussion.
Yeah, but at some point it becomes worth the shitstorm like when the rams traded away Bob. If you're getting a decade's worth of first and second rounders I think you can afford to say **** what the fans think.
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Yeah......Rodgers is absolutely getting traded for a decades worth of those picks. Any player is. You can afford to trade up to take the number pick in any year you see a replacement, with numerous picks left over.

That said, that will never happen.

Back on topic tho #AndreJohnsonisapatriot
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Mallett finally traded today for a future 6th.
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Stupid trade. I'd rather take him as insurance than get rid of him for a sixth round draft pick. Ridiculous imo.
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Stupid trade. I'd rather take him as insurance than get rid of him for a sixth round draft pick. Ridiculous imo.
It was that or he was getting cut. I don't know for you, but I'd take the sixth round pick over nothing every day of the week.
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Conditional 7th. Basically nothing.

I think that says that we were basically on the verge of cutting the guy.
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From the Texans standpoint, did the Patriots significantly lower their asking price? If not, why did it take so long for this trade to happen?
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From the Texans standpoint, did the Patriots significantly lower their asking price? If not, why did it take so long for this trade to happen?
It was never going to happen. They didn't plan on trading Mallett, but Grop was WAY better than anyone thought he'd be at this point. They weren't going to keep two QBs when it was obvious they didn't need to protect Grop this year. This is about roster flexibility. The pick was exchanged simply so the Texans didn't have to fight other teams in free agency for Mallett. Mallett's fine, Grop was just way ahead of schedule and there was no need to protect him.
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He just doesn't have what it takes IMO and that is why all they could get was a conditional 7th.

Believe it or not, but coaches can usually tell pretty much right on about a player's potential, just by watching him in practice.

They were obviously going to cut him and got what the market would offer.
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It was never going to happen. They didn't plan on trading Mallett, but Grop was WAY better than anyone thought he'd be at this point. They weren't going to keep two QBs when it was obvious they didn't need to protect Grop this year. This is about roster flexibility. The pick was exchanged simply so the Texans didn't have to fight other teams in free agency for Mallett. Mallett's fine, Grop was just way ahead of schedule and there was no need to protect him.
If he was cut, Houston would have 1st claim to his rights and didn't have to fight anybody for his rights.

Mallett is a bum and that is why they dumped him. They drafted Grop because they had already decided Mallet didn't have it and wasn't worth keeping.
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Think whatever you want, but if you seriously believe that Bill O'Brien feels Fitzpatrick/Keenum/Yates/Savage are better options at QB than Mallett, you aren't thinking clearly.

The cost for acquiring any player, a value none of us can know, always is the deciding factor in whether or not a team trades for a player. It's not only a question of talent level.

I'm 100% positive that GB/Detroit/New Orl/Indy/Carolina/Denver/SF/Seattle are perfectly willing to trade their starting QBs. The problem is that the cost of doing so would be devastating for most teams.

Besides O'Brien just drafted a developmental prospect in Savage who has the prototypical tools that O'Brien covets in his QBs.

Unless you still believe O'Brien thinks Savage is a better option at QB than Mallett too.
Usually, I agree with your thinking but in his case, I believe Mallett simply lacks the talent to start in the NFL. His only good year in college was when Petrino was his HC and Petrino QB's get way overhyped. I doubt Mallett was ever considered a 1st round talent by NFL teams.

He fetched a conditional 7th rounder from a team desperate for any starting QB, end of story.
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If he was cut, Houston would have 1st claim to his rights and didn't have to fight anybody for his rights.

Mallett is a bum and that is why they dumped him. They drafted Grop because they had already decided Mallet didn't have it and wasn't worth keeping.
They drafted Grop because Mallett is in the last year of his rookie contract. Grop is way ahead of schedule, so they don't need 3 QBs while Grop develops. That's all this is. It has nothing to do with Mallett or his potential. They drafted Grop because they weren't going to re-sign Mallett at the end of the year to save money since Brady isn't retiring, and they're loosing Mallett for the roster flexibility.

I don't know why people try to make things out to be more than what they are. If their plan all along was to trade Mallett, it would have happened months ago for a much higher draft pick. Grop being way better than anyone anticipated created an entirely different situation.
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They drafted Grop because Mallett is in the last year of his rookie contract. Grop is way ahead of schedule, so they don't need 3 QBs while Grop develops. That's all this is. It has nothing to do with Mallett or his potential. They drafted Grop because they weren't going to re-sign Mallett at the end of the year to save money since Brady isn't retiring, and they're loosing Mallett for the roster flexibility.

I don't know why people try to make things out to be more than what they are. If their plan all along was to trade Mallett, it would have happened months ago for a much higher draft pick. Grop being way better than anyone anticipated created an entirely different situation.
If they thought Mallett had starting potential, they would have showcased him in the preseason and got a hell of a lot more that a conditional 7th.
They got a conditional 7th rounder for him indicating clearly that he has little starting potential and they drafted Grop because they had already come to the conclusion that Mallett has no starting future in the NFL.

Saving money is one thing but getting value for a prospect is another and Mallett had no trade value of any significance. He was simply overhyped by a few people on this site.
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If he was cut, Houston would have 1st claim to his rights and didn't have to fight anybody for his rights.

Mallett is a bum and that is why they dumped him. They drafted Grop because they had already decided Mallet didn't have it and wasn't worth keeping.
His former OC just traded for him and the Cowboys were also interested. The Texans offered an option to get a 6th rounder if he plays 40%, to outbid the Cowboys.

I think I partially agree with you, but then again O'Brien was the one that went after him. Mallett will be good enough that the Texans won't be looking at a top 10 pick. Maybe not even top 15.
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They drafted Grop because Mallett is in the last year of his rookie contract. Grop is way ahead of schedule, so they don't need 3 QBs while Grop develops.
Also, having 3 QBs significantly hinders one's ability to develop a QB. With practice rules the way they are - it's hard to develop a QB at all.
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Where does Mallet sit on the depth chart? I'm assuming it will be Fitz #1, Keenum let go and Savage/Mallet battle for backup. Since Fitz isn't very good the backup likely will be starting at some point.
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I'm excited for the revival of Andre Johnson's unhappiness. Mallett is not overrated, he just couldn't advance with Brady there that's the same thing Rodgers went through in Green Bay behind Favre.

If he's "overrated" that's a wonderful feeling, because he can fly under the radar, for everyone to come out of the wood-works later on.

This will kill this whole post... Since Mallett is SOOOO "overrated" why would the Mastermind of the entire league handpick him?

He who question's Belichick... Never mind...
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I'm excited for the revival of Andre Johnson's unhappiness. Mallett is not overrated, he just couldn't advance with Brady there that's the same thing Rodgers went through in Green Bay behind Favre.

If he's "overrated" that's a wonderful feeling, because he can fly under the radar, for everyone to come out of the wood-works later on.

This will kill this whole post... Since Mallett is SOOOO "overrated" why would the Mastermind of the entire league handpick him?

He who question's Belichick... Never mind...
How do you make such bold proclamations about someone that hasn't even played enough to know? Even if you end up being correct, your assumptions are based on nothing, because we have almost 0 to say what Mallett can do.

And you talk about doubting Belichick, but he just let the guy go for almost nothing, and this is coming form someone that liked Mallett.
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Conditional 7th. Basically nothing.

I think that says that we were basically on the verge of cutting the guy.
Hell, I'd probably trade a 7th for him just so I could kick the tires. I was never a huge fan of the guy, but if he's sitting there in the 7th round then you take him.

I agree that this means he was about to be released. It also didn't bode well for him when they drafted a new heir apparent.
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I'm still sky high on the dude and have been on his jock since the 2011 draft.

Going to the Texans is a great situation and opportunity for Mallett, now he needs to get out there and become Bill O'Brien's guy.

Aaron Rodgers is the only QB I can think of(oh and Steve Young) who got better from riding the bench.

Mallett needs to play. A lot. I wonder what the ETA is for Mallett as the starter, or is he one horrific game away by Fitzmagic from having his number called??

I just wanna see how Ryan manages an NFL game and all its ups and downs for 4 quarters.

If Mallett can just not suck for the Texans and occasionally connect on his deep ball, I think Houston could surprise this season.
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How do you make such bold proclamations about someone that hasn't even played enough to know? Even if you end up being correct, your assumptions are based on nothing, because we have almost 0 to say what Mallett can do.

And you talk about doubting Belichick, but he just let the guy go for almost nothing, and this is coming form someone that liked Mallett.
I am larger than the Dorito. By the way... How does that "Game manager" Mark Sanchez look to you now?
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