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It would be too late to help Josh Gordon, Will Hill or anyone else in danger of lengthy suspensions for violations of current rules. But when and if the NFL's new drug policy is finalized and announced, it will include changes specific to marijuana and other drugs of abuse.

A source told ESPN.com on Tuesday that the renegotiation of the drug policy, which has been going on since 2011 and includes testing for HGH, also will significantly increase the threshold for a positive marijuana test and reduce the punishments for violations involving that drug.

The source said the NFL's policy on marijuana is outdated, pointing out that WADA has a higher threshold for a positive test than the NFL currently does, and in need of updating.

The NFLPA has expressed to the league an interest in studying the medical research that has led to the legalization of marijuana in many states for medicinal use, but it believes changes were needed in the meantime regardless.

What's holding up the implementation and announcement of changes to the league's drug policy is a continued standoff over arbitration of discipline. In cases of non-analytical positives (i.e., an Alex Rodriguez type of case in which a player is found in violation of the drug policy by some method other than a failed test) or in cases of violations of law (i.e., hypothetically, a player got caught trying to smuggle prescription drugs across the Canadian border), the NFLPA has asked that discipline appeals be heard by an independent arbitrator.

The NFL has continued to insist that the commissioner have final say over discipline matters.

It's the same hangup that was addressed last week by union president Eric Winston, who said of commissioner Roger Goodell on the issue of HGH testing, "He wants to hold all the cards and he wants to be the judge, jury and executioner, and we're not going to go for an un-American system like that."

In response to the union's claims, NFL spokesman Greg Aiello e-mailed the following last week to ESPN: "It's kind of funny because since 2011 the union has come up with one excuse after another to avoid implementing an agreement to test for HGH. First, it was the testing method; then it was the population study; now it's commissioner authority. Our commitment to testing is clear. The same cannot be said of the union."

The dispute over arbitration, it turns out, is holding up more than just HGH testing. There are widespread changes to the NFL's drug policy that these two sides have negotiated and are waiting to implement once they can reach agreement on the administration of discipline.
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The thing is which are you more concerned with as a GM? An athlete who smokes marijuana for recreational/medical purpose or the athlete who struggles with alcoholism?

Josh Gordon vs Justin Blackmon (Put aside all on the field play)

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not sure if serious, it's clearly alcohol
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The marijuana threshold is higher than the HGH I believe so yeah something needed to be fixed.
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"Nothings wrong with players blowing a lil Ganja in moderation. Alcohol has caused far more problems in the NFL than weed ever has. It's all stigma. Alcohol is just viewed as more "american" than weed. Dude from the cowboys killed his teammate driving intoxicated. Yet that doesn't stop the NFL from promoting beer commercials and stamping Bud Light as the official beer of the NFL. That's a bit backwards don't you think. Alcohol is responsible for deaths in the league but yet you still promote it by selling it at games and commercial adds supported by the NFL. What message does that send? ****** is hypocrites. Again, it's all perceptual. Alcohol is simply VIEWED as more "american." Athletes are regular people too and like to have a good time like any other odinary person. So to say an athlete shouldn't drink or smoke is ludacris. No they shouldn't over use it or do it to the point where its a problem, but if they want to blaze from time to time for WHATEVER reason they should be able too. Simple and plain." - Quotable
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When would this be voted on? This offseason, right? So why wouldn't Gordon, Blackmon, or Hill be judged under the new policy?
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I always thought it was idiotic to suspend players for testing positive for pot. Heck, incredibly harsh suspension while alcohol is 10 times worse than marijuana.

Lets give a guy who was arrested twice for a DUI a 1 game suspension, but if you test positive for pot twice its 4 games? Whatever
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When would this be voted on? This offseason, right? So why wouldn't Gordon, Blackmon, or Hill be judged under the new policy?
Because they commited the "crime" under the old policy. Same reason people arnt getting out of jail without a massive fight in states that have decriminalized.
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Good to start to reduce the penalty. Weed isn't that big of a deal and the NFL should adapt to the current climate. I doubt the NFL cares about players smoking but he does care about how it reflects on the NFL in the public eye. Goodell is fine with it as lo general as society is.

It will come into play going forward but guys like Gordon knew what they were doing. They were on NFL probation and got popped.

I was waiting for a player in Denver to test positive where it is legal, get suspended, and then sues for the game checks.
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Good to start to reduce the penalty. Weed isn't that big of a deal and the NFL should adapt to the current climate. I doubt the NFL cares about players smoking but he does care about how it reflects on the NFL in the public eye. Goodell is fine with it as lo general as society is.

It will come into play going forward but guys like Gordon knew what they were doing. They were on NFL probation and got popped.

I was waiting for a player in Denver to test positive where it is legal, get suspended, and then sues for the game checks.
Even in states where it's legal it's still perfectly acceptable for employers to drug test and discriminate against its use. Written into the laws in both Colorado and Washington, and the failed referendums in Cali and Oregon.
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When would this be voted on? This offseason, right? So why wouldn't Gordon, Blackmon, or Hill be judged under the new policy?
same reason people arrested for weed still serve their sentence even though laws were passed making it legal?
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I don't know much about legal stuff, which is why Im sure I already am wrong, but if they aren't sentenced and a reform comes before their appeal is granted/denied it wouldn't be subject to the new policy? It seems like it would be a gray area because although the "crime" was committed before the reform, the judgement could come after.
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I don't know much about legal stuff, which is why Im sure I already am wrong, but if they aren't sentenced and a reform comes before their appeal is granted/denied it wouldn't be subject to the new policy? It seems like it would be a gray area because although the "crime" was committed before the reform, the judgement could come after.
I see what you are saying. Similar to a teen being trialed as an adult once he/she turned 18 after the fact of the committed crime.
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I love the outrage against the NFL when there are probably hundreds if not thousands of employers that will terminate employees for a drug screening that tests positive for marijuana. I work with plenty of employers that do.

Is it seriously that hard to just "not" smoke weed? I don't believe it's dangerous, but I also don't think it should be a big deal if employers don't want their employees doing it.
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You can be tried as an adult prior to turning 18 in many states.
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I love the outrage against the NFL when there are probably hundreds if not thousands of employers that will terminate employees for a drug screening that tests positive for marijuana. I work with plenty of employers that do.

Is it seriously that hard to just "not" smoke weed? I don't believe it's dangerous, but I also don't think it should be a big deal if employers don't want their employees doing it.
No, it's not that hard. I had to quit when I commissioned in the Navy. Definitely miss it, but it's not like its a real addiction.

At the same time, it's not bad, it's much safer than things we don't discriminate against, and I'm definitely against employers being allowed to discriminate against its use where it's been legalized. They're not allowed to discriminate against cigarettes or beer, so why something in the exact same category in those places?

As for the NFL, it's a national company. Players pay income taxes based on which state the play in. They work in multiple states, so as long as it's federally illegal, the NFL will be doing nothing legally wrong making the punishment whatever they see fit.

The debate is over the hypocrisy of what they currently see fit.
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Although I think the consensus is that marijuana is not addictive, I do think the feeling of composure or release is something that many people have learned to love and need.

I am a college student and it is frequent that some kids smoke everyday, some multiple times a day. One of my fraternity brothers clearly had a problem and was forced to undergo a process to control himself after he violated our house by smoking inside it (cigarettes are not permitted either). This kid was crying uncontrollably, he seemed off for weeks, and that was even with some lapses I am sure.

I can't explain it because I don't use it because I know I have addictive behaviors already. Habits are hard to break, and we all are habitual people. I think its becoming really difficult because as this generation fills the NFL, they were children who were enabled with frequent fast food, television, games, etc. It seems like a very obvious trend to me that these kids remain kids and are enabled to indulge in behaviors like that. Its not necessarily immediately detrimental, nor in a prolonged period depending on what they are doing if they are smart and controlled, but I don't think its the case if they know the test is coming and would risk it like many of you are saying.
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It absolutely makes sense to change a penalty on smoking marijuana to a lower offense then one based on a PED's that are not only illegal but adding a comptitive edge.

That being said, whether you are pro or anti pot is irrelevant because it is illegal on the Federal level. There has to be a penalty and league policy for breaking the law. Once you get into individual state reglations the lines blur whether it should be allowed or not, so there has to be a blanket policy thoughout the league. I agree with what was mentioned above that a TON of careers pre screen for drugs and randomly test current employees. If you are caught with marijuana in your system you are disqualified or fired. When you sign your name on the dotted line saying you agree to that money, you are also agreeding to the NFL Policy and individual team stipulations within the contract. Don't be dumb and use it, simple as that. I've read some arguements that guys use it for pain and stress management but you clearly have to go a different route then self medicating. Teams surround you with physicians for both physical and mental ailments.
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