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Old 05-16-2014, 03:43 AM    (permalink
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Really could have 4 out of the top 5 D's in the league come out of the West. It's blowing my mind thinking about the talent on the side of the ball in the West.

Seahawks- Right now hands down the best in the league. Best FS, Best CB and could say maybe the best SS. They have a core of pass rushers that they can move around. Been in a system for a while now with the same players and you can see them gel. Lost some talent in FA, but they are still stacked. Core 5 players on their D ( Sherman, Thomas, Chancellor, Arvil and Bennett. ) 1 weakness- second CB

49ers- The reason why they've been to 3 NFC title games in a row. Took the title of this whole nasty D in a league full of high flying O's from Balt and Pitt a few years ago. The best LB core in the NFL. Bowman and Willis are 1-2 best MLB, Aldon Smith is a top 3 pass rusher in all the league. Deep with the OLB Rushers. Justin Smith leads a Big, Strong Dline. Core 5 players ( Willis, Bowman, Smith, Smith, Reid ) 1 weakness- Back 4. Reid is only bright spot right now.

Rams- Great at getting to the QB. Looking to make a move into that top 5 shut down D. So much talent, best Dline in the league. Quinn might be best pass rusher in the NFL add Long top 5 strong side DE, Brockers and toss in Donald. When your 3rd and 4th DT's are Langford and Hayes you're in a great spot. A Combo of LB's Laurinaitis tackles everything and Alec Ogletree could become a super star. Waiting for some young CB's to take that next step. Core 5 ( Quinn, Long, Laurinaitis, Ogletree and Jenkins ) 1 weakness- Safety Play and Run D.

Cards- Hard nosed unit. Will play together and some will say doesn't have the talent that the other 3 do, but I think might end up with the second best out of the bunch. Play makers at every level. The back 4 might be the strong point now. Peterson is all world. Cro is a Pro Bowler and Washington is under rated. Two nice young safety combo that looks like it will work well together. Core 5 ( Peterson, Dockett, Campbell, Abraham and Mathieu ) 1 weakness- Lack of pass rushers.
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lol and we're gunna have the best d in our division with JPP as our only legitimate pass rusher...and he's coming off back injury...
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Folks always forget about Ahmad Brooks. It breaks my heart. He is like "Other Guy" from Blankman.
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Wait...how is Maxwell a weakness?
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It's probably fairer to just say he's somewhat of an unknown to most people, although we saw him play very well in relief of Browner last year.
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Rams- Great at getting to the QB. Looking to make a move into that top 5 shut down D. So much talent, best Dline in the league. Quinn might be best pass rusher in the NFL add Long top 5 strong side DE, Brockers and toss in Donald. When your 3rd and 4th DT's are Langford and Hayes you're in a great spot. A Combo of LB's Laurinaitis tackles everything and Alec Ogletree could become a super star. Waiting for some young CB's to take that next step. Core 5 ( Quinn, Long, Laurinaitis, Ogletree and Jenkins ) 1 weakness- Safety Play and Run D.


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To add to that...
The Rams D coordinator last year was terrible. The Rams secondary played a soft cushion and never challenged receivers. QB's could throw quickly to an uncovered WR or TE. Imagine how many sacks they would have had with tight coverage? Also, Finnegan was terrible at covering the slot.

Fast forward to this year.....

Rams hire ultra aggressive coordinator and best buddy of Jeff Fisher (Williams). This D will attack, attack and attack again. No more soft coverage. They will be in your face from the LOS. 2nd rould pick Joyner should be a big improvement in covering the slot too. He's a dynamo. They also drafted one of the best interior penetrating d-lineman in recent years to add with Brockers, Quinn and Long. With tight coverage, this d-line should dominate like something we haven't seen since the fearsome 4-some.

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Chancellor is UNQUESTIONABLY the best strong safety in the league. And he should have been MVP of the SB.

I think the Cards defense regresses this year without Dansby.
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Patrick Peterson continues to be overrated
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Anyone else get the feeling that the NFC West is going to underwhelm us all in 2014?
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Anyone else get the feeling that the NFC West is going to underwhelm us all in 2014?
If this prediction, 4 of the top 5 Defenses, is any indication of what some expect then absolutely.
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everyone always complains about the "lack" of pass rushers on AZ but our D-Line generates plenty of pressure by rushing 3 while also being #1 vs the run not to mention Washington is one of the best pass rushing LBs inside or out
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Excluding every team in the NFCW, who are the top 4 teams in the NFC???


Then ask that question again.


The NFCW may not dominate the league, but to believe they'll be underwhelming, I don't see that.

I forgot Gregg Williams is the new DC for the Rams.
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Every year there's some great group of teams that's supposed to take over the NFL, and every year, something happens and they fall flat.
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I'm not saying the Cards/Rams/Seahawks/49ers are gonna collectively rock the NFL.

But by far that's the toughest division in the league with two legit SB contenders and two other teams who are a QB away from making a deep playoff run.

It's quite possible that every team in the NFCW ends up with a D ranked in the top NFL's top 5-7.
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Certainly on paper they all look top 5-7. It never plays out that way though.
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Most certainly. I still see two playoff teams with real SB chances coming out of the division but I wouldn't surprised of those two teams were the rams and 9ers.
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Depends on what you expect out of the NFC West. Are you talking about teams making the playoffs?
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I don't think the 49ers D will be that good anymore.

- Justin Smith is their best player (and really, only above-average starter) on the D-Line, and he is really old and starting to show signs of it. I don't see elite play from him any more.

- They will be without their best LB this year (Bowman). Willis is good, but what made this defense special was the fact that they had the two best ILBs on the field at the same time. This defense will look more like the 49ers defense pre-2011 without Bowman.

- Their secondary is still mediocre, talent-wise. I don't like the safety they reached for this year, and still don't think Eric Reid will be anything special in the NFL. He blew alot of coverage assignments last year. Everyone else in their secondary is old or mediocre.

- Aldon Smith is their one and elite pass rusher, and we all know we can't count on him to keep his nose clean and out of trouble. Without him, they basically have no pass rush.


On the other hand, I LOVE the Rams defense and think it could be a top-5 unit this year. Seahawks should be solid as usual.
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- Justin Smith is their best player (and really, only above-average starter) on the D-Line, and he is really old and starting to show signs of it. I don't see elite play from him any more.
The only other player you would include as a D-Lineman, then is Ray McDonald since they play an even front over 70% of the time.

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- They will be without their best LB this year (Bowman). Willis is good, but what made this defense special was the fact that they had the two best ILBs on the field at the same time. This defense will look more like the 49ers defense pre-2011 without Bowman.
They were a top-5 defense the year prior to Bowman being drafted.

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- Their secondary is still mediocre, talent-wise. I don't like the safety they reached for this year, and still don't think Eric Reid will be anything special in the NFL. He blew alot of coverage assignments last year. Everyone else in their secondary is old or mediocre.
You think Reid won't be special. I think he made the Pro Bowl.

Everyone else is old? Bethea? Bubba Ventrone is the only secondary player on the roster 30 or older. 17 roster spots. 1, 30 or older, and he is only a special teamer.

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- Aldon Smith is their one and elite pass rusher, and we all know we can't count on him to keep his nose clean and out of trouble. Without him, they basically have no pass rush.
Except they had 10 sacks in the 5 games without him.


I have no problem with your opinion. I just wish the opinion was based more upon fact than feeling.
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I have no problem with your opinion. I just wish the opinion was based more upon fact than feeling.
Dude obviously has a negative bias for SF, and does an awful job of trying to hide it. You should probably just stop responding to him.
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Doesn't Thumper predict a SF decline every off-season? Unfortunately (or fortunately) he''ll be right eventually and we'll all have to hear about it.
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Doesn't Thumper predict a SF decline every off-season? Unfortunately (or fortunately) he''ll be right eventually and we'll all have to hear about it.
Only because they don't have the great Brandon Graham on their bench. He's a hypothetically better and hypothetically more productive player than JPP.
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Is Jomoz Thumper?

I missed that. Makes sense.
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