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It's the offseason. Might as well talk about the controversial Pro Football Focus and their latest endeavor, the top 101 Players of 2013.

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Now before looking at the list there are some important things to understand regarding the criteria for selection:

- This list is based solely on 2013 play. Nothing that happened in previous years or may happen in the future is accounted for. This isn’t about class or talent; it’s about form throughout 2013.

- This list is created with an “All Positions Created Equal” mantra. So you won’t see 32 quarterbacks heading the list, even though that is the most valuable position, instead seeing how guys played relative to what is expected from their position. You might disagree with this for doing a Top 101 list which is your right, but this is how we’ve done it for the past three years and will continue doing it. This way every player has a fair shot at getting the respect they deserve.

- A repetition because it’s often the most misunderstood: this is not a list about talent or a lifetime achievement award. It is solely, 100% based on what happened between the opening kickoff of the 2013 regular season and the final snap of the Super Bowl this past February. Anything outside those dates does not matter.
Here is the list. There are blurbs about each player with more detail as to why they were selected at their spot if you clink on the links to the number sections.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...top-to-bottom/
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The Browns had 6 of the top 101 and still managed to suck.
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Skins Brian Orakpo is on this list but RB Alfred Morris isn't??

Not credible by PFF.
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It's a sad day when Will Hill is the only Giant that is on this list... why the hell did we finish 7-9 again?
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It's a sad day when Will Hill is the only Giant that is on this list... why the hell did we finish 7-9 again?
Because your QB decided to throw INTs instead of TDs this season.
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Matt Forte: 1339 yards, 9 TD, 4.6 ypc, 74 rec, 594 yards, 3 TD
Eddie Lacy: 1178 yards, 11 TD, 4.1 ypc, 35 rec, 257 yards

So Forte is more effective running the ball, is twice as effective as a receiver, and scores more TDs yet he isn't on the list while Lacy is 70th. I don't know what they do to compile these rankings but whatever the method, it's stupid.
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Matt Forte: 1339 yards, 9 TD, 4.6 ypc, 74 rec, 594 yards, 3 TD
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So Forte is more effective running the ball, is twice as effective as a receiver, and scores more TDs yet he isn't on the list while Lacy is 70th. I don't know what they do to compile these rankings but whatever the method, it's stupid.
Getting more yards per carry doesn't necessarily mean he was a better than Lacy in 2013.
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Id take Forte pretty easy over Lacy. Forte handled the ball more often and more efficiently. Lacy is doing well but Forte is consistently pretty damn good.
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Forte is under appreciated and it's never been more evident than it has this offseason.
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Forte had a better offensive line and didn't have to break as many tackles.
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Eh...I'd be wary of Forte at this point. He'll turn 29 this season and has endured a lot of wear and tear. I'd take Lacy going into 2014.
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Yards per carry isn't everything. But having a better average, more yards, more touchdowns, and being a more all-around back does make him better. And PFF also ranked the Green Bay line much higher than Chicago. So better numbers with a worse line probably makes him better.
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Yards per carry isn't everything. But having a better average, more yards, more touchdowns, and being a more all-around back does make him better. And PFF also ranked the Green Bay line much higher than Chicago. So better numbers with a worse line probably makes him better.
Could be something else like missed tackles, or broken tackles. Maybe pass protection as a back.
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So Forte is more effective running the ball, is twice as effective as a receiver, and scores more TDs yet he isn't on the list while Lacy is 70th. I don't know what they do to compile these rankings but whatever the method, it's stupid.
This is a bad post and I'm a PFF skeptic.
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I don't care for these lists, but seeing McCoy and David both in the top 5 is really cool.
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I like Football Outsiders' Success Rate for running backs, because it puts the yards they gained in some context by factoring in the game situation. Do you want a RB who consistently gains five yards on third-and-six, or three yards on third-and-two? Surprisingly, both Forte (26th) and Lacy (27th) are pretty low by that standard.

On PFF, they have Lacy credited with making defenders miss a significantly higher amount of tackles (56, 4th) than Forte (39, 9th), and for being a much better pass protector as well (three total pressures allowed, third in efficiency.) Forte allowed more total pressures (including hits and sacks) than any other running back, and finished last in efficiency.

I'd probably take Forte for now, but it's pretty close. According to PFF's grading system, the combined rushing/receiving scores were 13.1 to 13.0 in favor of Lacy, but while Lacy ranked as one of the top pass protectors, Forte was graded as the worst. Ultimately, it probably comes down to whether you prefer your running back to be an average receiver and quality blocker, or quality receiver and terrible blocker.
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PFF has always been hard on Arian Foster for his inability to stay in and pass protect. Having your back be able to stay in and block is a huge bonus. Guys like Bradshaw, Gore, and I guess now Lacy give the offense and added advantage.
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