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Old 08-29-2014, 12:36 AM    (permalink
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Just popped in my head how in 2009 Mel Kiper went off on the Raiders for drafting Mike Mitchell. A no one that no one ever heard of, Kiper telling the world that the Raiders wasted a pick on this player. And not understanding how his words can cause someone else hardship in a new job setting.

And that's what it did. For Mitchell first years in the NFL he was the guy that Kiper said shouldn't have been drafted at all let alone in the second round. How the Raiders didn't know talent anymore. And Mitchell's play made people think Kiper was right all along. They didn't think maybe it was the team he was on, or the coaches that he had. He just didn't make a impact.

Then comes last year. Panthers sign him, around great defensive coaches and some really, really good talent. Mitchell's talent starts to show. Has a great year. And then signed by Pitt to a 5 million a year avg at 5 years 25 million this offseason.

And the hard hitting, 6-1 215 pound 4.4 running Mike Mitchell can really play with the big boys. And Kiper can shut his mouf. Got to love this story.
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Mel Kiper gets paid to give his opinions. Some fans still remember what he says years later. Job well done. People need to stop being jealous that he gets paid to watch football.
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Yeah, pretty much everyone laughed at the Raiders for the pick. I know alot of draftniks and armchair guys (myself included) had their eye on him because of his measureables. Noone thought he'd be an early round pick.

Good on Mitchell for making a decent career of it but let's not ignore the fact he's been with 3 teams in 6 seasons.
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I didn't laugh at it much. I thought he could easily warrant the pick.
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And Tom Brady proved tons of actual NFL scouts wrong. Yay.
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Mel Kiper gets paid to give his opinions. Some fans still remember what he says years later. Job well done. People need to stop being jealous that he gets paid to watch football.
I don't hate on Kiper at all. He has one of the greatest jobs in the world. But that day he went a little far with his opinions. And I just like the fact that Mitchell who on that day Kiper didn't think belonged in the NFL not only made it, but got that second contract that all players are looking for.

Also that Mitchell went on to be a big part of the second best D in 2013 and that a team with maybe the best defensive history in the league with maybe the best defensive cord ever gave him 25 million to play for them.

It's a feel good story to me. He made it.
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Yeah, pretty much everyone laughed at the Raiders for the pick. I know alot of draftniks and armchair guys (myself included) had their eye on him because of his measureables. Noone thought he'd be an early round pick.

Good on Mitchell for making a decent career of it but let's not ignore the fact he's been with 3 teams in 6 seasons.
The Panthers keep this dude if their books were in order, no way they could give him the 5 million a year he got from Pitt
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Kind of thought he was grossly overpaid by Pittsburgh but an NFL caliber player nonetheless.
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Just popped in my head how in 2009 Mel Kiper went off on the Raiders for drafting Mike Mitchell. A no one that no one ever heard of, Kiper telling the world that the Raiders wasted a pick on this player. And not understanding how his words can cause someone else hardship in a new job setting.

And that's what it did. For Mitchell first years in the NFL he was the guy that Kiper said shouldn't have been drafted at all let alone in the second round. How the Raiders didn't know talent anymore. And Mitchell's play made people think Kiper was right all along. They didn't think maybe it was the team he was on, or the coaches that he had. He just didn't make a impact.

Then comes last year. Panthers sign him, around great defensive coaches and some really, really good talent. Mitchell's talent starts to show. Has a great year. And then signed by Pitt to a 5 million a year avg at 5 years 25 million this offseason.

And the hard hitting, 6-1 215 pound 4.4 running Mike Mitchell can really play with the big boys. And Kiper can shut his mouf. Got to love this story.
Kiper was right, though. Mayock and McShay, too. That was a terrible pick. Even if Mike Mitchell goes to ten straight pro bowls, that's still a bad pick. You don't build a winner by spending your second round picks on guys who finally become worth a damn only after their rookie contract has expired.

You can't pin his failure on the team and coaches. He was a developmental prospect who just wasn't very good coming out of college. We all knew that. Giving him a new team and new coach wasn't going to make him any good in his first few years.

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Mitchell has been so-so in steelers camp....definitely blazing fast, but its a work in progress, its nice that he has the closing speed to make up for troys aggressiveness. Definitely a big hitter.

I heard the bears were going to take him in the second if the raiders didnt...dont know how true that is.
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I was going to say the 5 star linebacker that went to Ohio St and then transferred to Texas Tech. Not him obviously.

Another guy everyone (at least 6 1/2 rounds of draft picks) got wrong seems to be Jeff Janis of the Packers. Only has a couple of catches and is a project in that he's raw but he has home run ability. Not a lot of guys walking the streets at 6-3 220 with 4.35 speed.
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Kiper was wrong on the talent evaluation, but the Raiders could've gotten him much later. That is a bigger reason why the pick was and is bashed. The fact that they used such a high investment and he's not with them now is even a worse story.
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Actually, Kiper was correct. The Raiders should NOT have drafted him. Mitchell made no impact on their team, so he was either the wrong fit or wasn't experienced enough for that high of a pick.

The fact that he eventually (with the right coaching/system/experience level) grew into a decent player doesn't mean Mel was wrong. The guy was a wasted pick on the Raiders, which is exactly what Kiper said.
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Kill Kiper now. How dare he give his opinion and it turned out to be incorrect. What an assshole.
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He did nothing for the Raiders so I don't see how Kiper is wrong.

He was a huge beneficiary of playing around talent last season. His speed combined with that talent made up for a lot of his mistakes that I have a feeling will be exposed with the Steelers. He's a below average Safety. A big reason the Panthers lost in the playoffs, also.
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Round 2 - Mike Mitchell, S, Ohio University
Round 3 - Matt Shaughnessy, DE Wisconsin
Round 4 - Louis Murphy, WR, Florida
Round 4 - Slade Norris, LB, Oregon State
Round 6 - Stryker Sulak, DE, Missouri
Round 6 - Brandon Myers, TE, Iowa
I was more critical of their entire draft. Their first two pick were certainly a major reason for that. After DHB went 7th overall, Mitchell was icing on the cake. The criticism was compounded because it was the Raiders (drafting undeveloped speed players) and because of their first round pick. I said something to the effect that not one single player would be on the team four years after their draft. Mitchell may have been the best player player from their draft class, but most are are second and third string players.

DHB wasn't a complete bust like I was expecting, but he was a terrible pick nevertheless. Mike Mitchell was, almost equally, an awful second round pick for Oakland. You do not draft projects in round one or two, even if they end up succeeding four or five years into their career. And you certainly don't do it if they succeed for someone else. Kiper was far from wrong, and Mitchell has a lot to prove. Was he a one year wonder? Is he going to become a quality player with the Steelers? Is he going to surpass expectations and become and top level safety? We don't know any of that. He hasn't proven himself. One season doesn't mean a whole lot.

I remember Kiper saying he was a free agent caliber prospect who was somewhere between the 40th and 70th best safety in the class; and not even on his draft guide. If Kiper was wrong about anything, he was wrong about the talent evaluation. If Mike Mitchell develops into a Pro Bowl player - this late into his career - then, yes, he was certainly much better than that. He would have been a solid third round pick ... Only if that team retained him for his second contract. This is Mitchell's third contract for his third different team in six years.
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actually 3rd team in four or five years with a long development time sounds exactly like the career trajectory of a successful late rounder. I don't think Kiper was saying he could never be nothing, but the whole world knew he wasn't a fit for the 2nd. c'est la vie, dust in the wind, are you his mom, one shining moment...
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Heyward Bey and Mitchell are going to end up being sneaky good pickups for the steelers.

DHB is perfect for the role Nate Washington and a young Mike Wallace used to play, and while mitchell didnt do much as a raider, he put together a great season for carolina on a one year deal and decided to test FA and was rewarded with a decent, although team friendly contract.

Im excited for him.

And fwiw, there were other teams primed to take him in the 2nd or 3rd round i believe...does that make it a good pick? Not really, but just because he wanst on Kipers radar doesnt mean teams werent looking
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DHB is perfect for the role Nate Washington and a young Mike Wallace used to play
Since when has DHB been an NFL deep threat?
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Heyward Bey and Mitchell are going to end up being sneaky good pickups for the steelers.

DHB is perfect for the role Nate Washington and a young Mike Wallace used to play, and while mitchell didnt do much as a raider, he put together a great season for carolina on a one year deal and decided to test FA and was rewarded with a decent, although team friendly contract.

Im excited for him.
Mitchell will be good, but DHB isn't the player you are expecting. He is fast and that's it. Even when was wide open last year he dropped balls hard. He had a real nice opportunity last year with the Colts and completely blew it.
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