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Old 10-17-2014, 10:52 PM    (permalink
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Pretty simple. I am talking about from usage rate, to contract situation because I think this presents a bunch of interesting dynamics. He's on pace for 2k rushing yards, but that comes with an enormous amount of carries (on pace for over 400) and a soon to be done contract.

So, do you ride him into the ground due to team success and maybe a shot for a historic season and then let him walk in FA? Or do you do that same scenario and tag him even if you know as Dallas you are already strapped for cash? You could keep the pace the same and sign him for a shorter deal, or lessen his load big time so you can have an effective back for more years but risk how effective you are this season?

There are a lot of ways to play this. I think everyone knows what it'll do to his longevity if he logs 400 carries. But if he keeps churning out 150 yards a game and has over 1000 yards by week 8 do you say screw 2k we need our guy?
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He needs a pitch count and it's time to start splitting carries with the dude who loves free cologne and men's underwear.

Each season is its own experience and who knows what the Cowboys are capable of accomplishing with their stud oline and Demarco Murray??

I still think he should be limited until the 4th quarter of games, you still want him for the playoffs, ideally, and to be healthy.
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They gave him a few series off last game. He got so many carries because:

A) It was a huge game for them.

B) They dominated time of possession.

The plan is going to give him 2 or 3 series off in competitive games (and obviously more in blowouts), spell him here and there and get Dunbar and Randle about 10-12 touches a game combined.

And let Romo throw the ball more, especially early in games. I expect you'll see that going forward (perhaps not this week though due to the matchup).

I don't think you need an exact pitch count. The goal should be about 20 touches a game from here on out. If he gets 32 one week but then 15 the next week because it's a blowout or Romo's hot, that's fine.

I wouldn't overreact to last week's final numbers. They HAD to use him like that in that huge game the way it flowed. In previous weeks they were ignoring their backups. They didn't last week, they just had the ball so much so Murray got it a lot.

I wouldn't worry about the injury risk. You can't. What can you do? You aren't going to keep up the current pace, but he should lead the league in carries. It's a good problem to have. Just play the season out.
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If it continues to be successful, I would run him into the ground. However, it's clear that as talented he is, the OL is on another level and if the Hawks game is any indication, Randle and Dunbar can do things back there too.
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Is he taking as much a beating this year vs last year? I feel like he is getting to the second and third level much quicker, due to the line, than the previous years. Even though he has more carries, tackles might be against a DB rather than a 300 lb DL crushing his body.

Maybe he plays a full season this year?
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Is he taking as much a beating this year vs last year? I feel like he is getting to the second and third level much quicker, due to the line, than the previous years. Even though he has more carries, tackles might be against a DB rather than a 300 lb DL crushing his body.

Maybe he plays a full season this year?

I hope you're right but I think Larry Johnson probably thought the same thing.
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I'd run him into the ground and let him go after the season. You're not gonna catch me giving a big second contract to a running back. I'll take that comp pick, thank you very much.
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There is no way you give him a long term deal. He has been an injury prone guy before and loading him with 400+ carries is not something to invest in. I'd franchise if they have the cap space, go short term like 3 years or just let him walk.

This year you need to try to balance his health and getting him carries. They need the back ups to get the ball more just to keep him healthy, but if they need it to win a game then ride him into the ground. If they don't intend to pay him then just load him with carries. 2000 yards is not an important team goal. If he is getting close then yeah go for it but if he is dinged up I'd save him and do whats best for the team.
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I hope you're right but I think Larry Johnson probably thought the same thing.
Larry Johnson went from 120-336-416, avg 4.8-5.2-4.3 yards.

Murray probably has 2 good years left, if he can keep his carries around 350. He has way higher receptions compared to Larry.
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LOL. Damn yall talk about RBs like they're $20 hoes.
Cheap, bottom feeding greedy bitches who can be replaced just by walking around the block where there's gonna be another one.

I hope Murray finishes the season relatively healthy. It would suck to have a near MVP type season in a contract year only to be lowballed by Jerruh because of prior durability issues.
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But aren't they? If you can get your oline to open up massive holes, you'll be just fine with any hoe.
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But aren't they? If you can get your oline to open up massive holes, you'll be just fine with any hoe.

I see what you're saying, but it kinda sucks the way the position is devalued by the raw amount of good RBs coming out of college every year.

There used to be a time not long ago(1990s) when a good RB was considered the most important player on an offense. RBs used to get crazy respect. Historically RBs have defined the NFL game.

Nowadays analysts and fans talk about RBs like they're high-functioning specialists like kickers or punt returners.

And since fewer RBs will get the carries to approach that 12,000 yard rushing threshold to earn HOF status means fewer RBs will make it to Canton.

RBs used to be the rock stars on NFL teams.
Now they're just some dude.
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Pretty simple. I am talking about from usage rate, to contract situation because I think this presents a bunch of interesting dynamics. He's on pace for 2k rushing yards, but that comes with an enormous amount of carries (on pace for over 400) and a soon to be done contract.

So, do you ride him into the ground due to team success and maybe a shot for a historic season and then let him walk in FA? Or do you do that same scenario and tag him even if you know as Dallas you are already strapped for cash? You could keep the pace the same and sign him for a shorter deal, or lessen his load big time so you can have an effective back for more years but risk how effective you are this season?

There are a lot of ways to play this. I think everyone knows what it'll do to his longevity if he logs 400 carries. But if he keeps churning out 150 yards a game and has over 1000 yards by week 8 do you say screw 2k we need our guy?
I would choose the bolded part, word for word. Ride him into the ground, and let someone else make the mistake of paying him next year.
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I see what you're saying, but it kinda sucks the way the position is devalued by the raw amount of good RBs coming out of college every year.

There used to be a time not long ago(1990s) when a good RB was considered the most important player on an offense. RBs used to get crazy respect. Historically RBs have defined the NFL game.

Nowadays analysts and fans talk about RBs like they're high-functioning specialists like kickers or punt returners.

And since fewer RBs will get the carries to approach that 12,000 yard rushing threshold to earn HOF status means fewer RBs will make it to Canton.

RBs used to be the rock stars on NFL teams.
Now they're just some dude.
*shrug* linebackers used to be that way for defenses , and not I'd put LB behind DE, DT, CB and S for positions were I want a real stud on D. LTs used to be the most important OL position, now it's center, the game changes and clinging to an outdated outlook just for nostalgia's sake makes no sense.
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I wouldn't be against signing him to a reasonable 3-4 year deal, front loaded so you can cut bait if he starts to break down. I don't like the idea of bleeding RBs dry and then not paying them come contract talks, feels f'd up to me. Not saying break the bank, but take care of your guys.
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I wanted him resigned in the offseason last year. 4 years and 16 million would have been enough to secure him and now he's likely to demand almost double that if he gets through this season healthy.

It's a shame as I think he deserves to benefit from this offensive line for a few more years.
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*shrug* linebackers used to be that way for defenses , and not I'd put LB behind DE, DT, CB and S for positions were I want a real stud on D. LTs used to be the most important OL position, now it's center, the game changes and clinging to an outdated outlook just for nostalgia's sake makes no sense.

Trends change, but an elite RB can set the table for an offense and take them deep into the playoffs.
In 2013, Marshawn Lynch was the irreplaceable part on the Seahawks offense, not Russell Wilson.

In 2012 RG3 was a revelation, but it was Alfred Morris who was the closer.

Suddenly a Dallas team with a questionable defense and a QB with back issues looks like one of the top teams in the NFC. What changed??
The emergence of Demarco Murray.

The abundance of decent RBs in the NFL shouldn't devalue the importance of an elite ballcarrier.

The counter is that Dallas has what looks to be a dominant oline, a rarity in the NFL. In their case, yeah maybe the RB position can be swapped out for the next guy.

But in most cases when NFL teams treat their pro bowl RB like a pack mule who can be 'run into the ground' for the season because you can get another one, well it doesn't usually work out that way.
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Dallas will do exactly what they did with Marion Barber and Felix Jones; they'll run him into the ground and then ditch him for another RB.
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Old 10-19-2014, 11:20 PM    (permalink
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At Romo's age, you have to go for the bundle and try to win a SB when the opportunity presents itself. There are never any guarantees about next year.

If they cannot manage the cap hit, then they cannot manage it and will have to let him walk whether they like it or not. They let Demarco Ware walk and they obviously survived it. It is also obvious that their OL is very solid and will likely be able to survive the loss of Murray and still produce running yards.
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I'd run him into the ground and let him go after the season. You're not gonna catch me giving a big second contract to a running back. I'll take that comp pick, thank you very much.
Why would you let him go? They should at least do a sign and trade.
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Run him into the ground, franchise him twice then let him walk
Not a bad idea....but cap hell.

Sooo compromise, give him a big ass contract front loaded to the value of a franchise tag, just nothing guaranteed after 2 years. Signing bonus gets spread out and you don't have to take as big a cap hit.
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Guys its Jerry. Demarco is leading him to his first relevant season in a long ass time. hes probably getting extended in dallas.
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I wouldn't be too confident about that. Jerry is letting a lot of his other guys have a big part of the decision making process, so it's not strictly his say. We still haven't even paid Dez (who is just getting more expensive every week), and he's our #1 priority. He's the reason guys like Terrence Williams and Gavin Escobar are doing so well, they feed off the single coverage that's afforded to them because of Dez. We'll probably franchise him and let him walk in 2016. It's pretty ******, but he's both injury and fumble prone. He's a hell of a running back, but we could have his production replaced with a 2nd or 3rd rounder and save the cap space.
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