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“Part of the way the contract is written and the way it was negotiated was so they would be able to sign other players,” Kaepernick said. “That was something that my agents and the organization worked out and they felt like this was something they would be able to get other players with.”

On the face of it, that sounded unlikely. Kaepernick deal reportedly has a maximum value of $126 million and a record $61 million is guaranteed. I’m an English major, but that sure sounds as if it will make it harder to sign wide receiver Michael Crabtree or Pro Bowl left guard Mike Iupati to extensions before they hit free agency in 2015.

As the details of Kaepernick’s contract are trickling out, however, it’s becoming clear what he meant about the 49ers being able to sign other players, at least in the short-term.

Kaepernick’s deal includes a modest $12 million signing bonus, which will be pro-rated over the life of the contract, and actually lowers his 2014 base salary from $973,766 to $645,000, CBS’ Jason La Canfora reported. As a result, Kaepernick, the $100 million-plus man, will have a no-big-deal $3 million cap number this season.

As for future seasons? The salary cap is expected to continue rising after it jumped from $123 to $133 million this season, but the 49ers will eventually have to make some hard decisions because of their substantial investment in Kaepernick.

In the short-term, however, the structure of his contract could be good news for Crabtree and/or Iupati, or two unhappy-with-their-contract campers: tight end Vernon Davis right guard Alex Boone.
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Its all relative. The cap will jump again and again.
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Iupati is probably gone. Davis will be back he is playing hardball until he sees what Jimmy Graham gets. Crab may or may not be back. He is good but not crazy special and he will want a ton of cash.
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I don't think you run into problems at all. You just can't overspend on more than a couple of FAs.

The Saints are paying Brees huge money, Jimmy Graham big money (for this year), and just added the top defensive FA available (arguably).

The Broncos have been signing guys left and right despite Peyton's contract.

The Ravens let Boldin go (pretty sure they could have signed him) and opted for Smith instead. Smith ended up being arguably their best defensive player and he was a FA they signed in the same offseason of Flacco's extension.

I think it's good to have cap room and therefore cap flexibility, but FA is not the wise way to build a team and much of the time having a lot of cap room is not a good thing, and you can't really build with cap room. FA is a finite process too. There are only so many good players that teams willingly let go. There's a reason those guys hit the open market.
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Iupati is probably gone. Davis will be back he is playing hardball until he sees what Jimmy Graham gets. Crab may or may not be back. He is good but not crazy special and he will want a ton of cash.
I could live without Crabs and Iupati. Good players but some folks are gonna have to go. Hopefully Stevie Johnson makes losing Crabs a lot easier.
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Yea crabs really isn't that big of a lose with Johnson. Just hope our next young wide outs can step up and get deep. Boldin is the only guy I'm worried about keeping next.
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A lot of de-escalators built into the contract, and Niners can walk away from Kap easily.
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Only guaranteed for injury and de-escalators of $2 Million per season that he doesn't make the Super Bowl or be All-Pro. So $12 million of that "guaranteed" payout is riding on Kaep taking the 49ers to the Super Bowl in 2014, and he loses $2 Million per year that he doesn't.

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I don't think you run into problems at all. You just can't overspend on more than a couple of FAs.

The Saints are paying Brees huge money, Jimmy Graham big money (for this year), and just added the top defensive FA available (arguably).

The Broncos have been signing guys left and right despite Peyton's contract.

The Ravens let Boldin go (pretty sure they could have signed him) and opted for Smith instead. Smith ended up being arguably their best defensive player and he was a FA they signed in the same offseason of Flacco's extension.

I think it's good to have cap room and therefore cap flexibility, but FA is not the wise way to build a team and much of the time having a lot of cap room is not a good thing, and you can't really build with cap room. FA is a finite process too. There are only so many good players that teams willingly let go. There's a reason those guys hit the open market.
To add, you just have to be smart and know the personnel landscape. And that's one thing I think poeple overlook about how Baalke handles the roster. Colts gave a guy like Ricky Jean-Francois starter money. Baalke gave him a offer that wasnt nearly as comparable. Instead he goes out and signs Dorsey, for a fraction of the cost, and he has a very good year for us last year. Whitner came here as a very modest free-agnet signing, balled out and cashed in this year. These guys were not huge free agent splashes but solid, smart supplements to the roster. They worked because Baalke just has very good sense of players worth to us and how those players should function in our scheme. Nobody wanted Whitner when he left Buffalo. Same with Rogers when he left the Redskins. Dorsey wasn't a guy teams were clamoring for. Baalke has a eye for other team's trash and how they fit. We've had success into turning these under-the-radar signings into key contributors. And at a fraction of what other teams are signing our own guys for.

If you have to pick and choose which Pro Bowl and All-Pro players you try to extend, chances are your drafting good players. Like I said, its a good problem to have and one I hope keeps recurring. The key is to keep drafting well and developing talent. Baalke has had success with the draft, as well as hitting on some UDFAs like Boone, Brock, and TJE just to name a few. As long as the personnel guys keep finding them, and the staff keeps developing them, we'll be ok I think.
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It's all about making the agent look good. The QB gets good money, the agent can tell clients they can get big money for them, and the team gets the player on a deal that isn't nearly as bad as it looks. Flaccos deal was the same. It's worse than it looks.
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A lot of de-escalators built into the contract, and Niners can walk away from Kap easily.
Too oversimplify it. If he becomes elite he'll see most of the money. If he's a good QB that can't get us back to the SB he'll lose a chunk of that money. If he struggles this season the FO can move on as soon as 2015. I don't see how any fan could be mad at those terms. He's betting on himself, as he should.
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I was pointing out that quarterbacks with much more time in the league yet less team success deeper into the postseason got money in the neighborhood of Kaepernick so I'm not sure why there's such a backlash to what he got.

Alex Smith won't get $61 guaranteed but he'll get $15 million/year, which will be a lovely debate as well.
And I was pointing out that team success doesn't automatically make you a good QB. Kaeperinick struggled badly without Crabtree. He had a good running game, one of the leaves best offensive lines, and still having 2 very good options in the passing game with VD and Anquan he was only completing 40-50% of his passes for 100-150 yards in more than a few games in the first 12 weeks.

I don't disagree that he would have commanded big money on the open market. I do disagree that he's proven he's worth it. If he can't have more success throwing the ball with the addition of Stevie Johnson and a healthy Crabtree, he isn't worth it.
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Who the hell did the saints sign that is arguably the best defensive FA this off season?
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I was pointing out that quarterbacks with much more time in the league yet less team success deeper into the postseason got money in the neighborhood of Kaepernick so I'm not sure why there's such a backlash to what he got.

Alex Smith won't get $61 guaranteed but he'll get $15 million/year, which will be a lovely debate as well.
And I was pointing out that team success doesn't automatically make you a good QB. Kaeperinick struggled badly without Crabtree. He had a good running game, one of the leaves best offensive lines, and still having 2 very good options in the passing game with VD and Anquan he was only completing 40-50% of his passes for 100-150 yards in more than a few games in the first 12 weeks.

I don't disagree that he would have commanded big money on the open market. I do disagree that he's proven he's worth it. If he can't have more success throwing the ball with the addition of Stevie Johnson and a healthy Crabtree, he will have proven to me that he's not worth it.


The unfortunate part about the NFL is sometimes you have to choose between paying a young mediocre QB a ton of money, or starting a guy like Matt Cassel.
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I think he's referring to Byrd
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And I was pointing out that team success doesn't automatically make you a good QB. Kaeperinick struggled badly without Crabtree. He had a good running game, one of the leaves best offensive lines, and still having 2 very good options in the passing game with VD and Anquan he was only completing 40-50% of his passes for 100-150 yards in more than a few games in the first 12 weeks.

I don't disagree that he would have commanded big money on the open market. I do disagree that he's proven he's worth it. If he can't have more success throwing the ball with the addition of Stevie Johnson and a healthy Crabtree, he will have proven to me that he's not worth it.


The unfortunate part about the NFL is sometimes you have to choose between paying a young mediocre QB a ton of money, or starting a guy like Matt Cassel.

No doubt he struggled, but those were his ONLY two options in the passing game. And considering VD is double teamed as soon as he steps in the field by most defenses, that leaves you with one viable option on most Sundays. And the running game is only viable if the passing game is somewhat formidable and we struggled mightily with the running game to start last season because there were no viable threats in the passing game. Teams just stacked the box and dared us to find anyone other than VD and Boldin open. We also threw less than any other team in the league, including the Hawks so there's that also. It ALL has to be factored into his numbers from last year, including his own shortcomings.

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Now what are the Bengals going to give Andy Dalton?
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Now what are the Bengals going to give Andy Dalton?
A lot rides on this year. They're built to roll into their prime in the next two-three seasons and I'm not sure I want Dalton to be my guy.
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Lets see how the contract actually breaks down before freaking out.
Coming late to the thread, I like how this was the first comment and then as soon as the first details started coming out, people freaked out.

This is a pretty team-friendly deal, and I love a contract that pays out for achievement rather than potential.
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Coming late to the thread, I like how this was the first comment and then as soon as the first details started coming out, people freaked out.

This is a pretty team-friendly deal, and I love a contract that pays out for achievement rather than potential.
I think I'd rather have the reverse. I don't think you should reward a player for what they've done, but what they're going to do for you.
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Just make sure Iupati walks so he can become a Giant next year. K? Thnx.
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I think I'd rather have the reverse. I don't think you should reward a player for what they've done, but what they're going to do for you.
I'm pretty sure Brent is speaking about the de-escalators and opt-outs. If Kaep doesn't perform, the value and guarantee of the contract are lessened.

Kaep will earn more if he performs better.
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I'm pretty sure Brent is speaking about the de-escalators and opt-outs. If Kaep doesn't perform, the value and guarantee of the contract are lessened.

Kaep will earn more if he performs better.
exactly what I mean; I suppose I should have said an incentive-heavy contract
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