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View Poll Results: Better Quarterback class?
2004 (Big Ben, Manning, Rivers.... Losman, Schuab) 32 37.21%
2006 (Young, Lienart, Cutler.... Clemens, T-Jack) 54 62.79%
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Old 04-08-2007, 11:07 AM    (permalink
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Default 2004 QB Class or 2006 QB Class?

which do you feel is going to ultimately be better????


I gotta say 2004, although both are gonna be very good.

Heres how I see things shaking out. The guys arent gonna be exact clones, but theres some similarity's.




Big Ben............ Brett Favre

Phil Rivers.........Jim Kelly

Eli Manning....... John Elway

Jay Cutler.........Phil Simms

Vince Young.....Air Mcnair but slightly better

Matt Lienart.....Trent Green





So yea. I think that 2004 is gonna be on par with the heralded 1983 QB class. 2006 is a nice class, but doesnt quite stack up with 2004 imo.


whats your opinion?
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Losman is better than Manning. He won games for his team last year, Manning lost them.
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Manning is nothing like John Elway. Vince Young is more like Elway than Manning is. I picked 06 because Young has already proved doubters wrong, Leinart did fairly well, and Cutler played pretty well too. And Croyle could start this year.
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i thinks its too early to say anything, however i will say that 04 has a title and 06 does not
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Big Ben is nowhere near #4
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Did you just call Eli Manning comparable to John Elway?
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The Comparison of Manning to Elway is a bit of a reach, and I don't really see Leinart as a Trent Green...that being said I would still think the '04 class is goign to be better, but it's probably a little to early to judge, since none of the '06 have even started a full season yet.
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i thinks its too early to say anything, however i will say that 04 has a title and 06 does not
Big Ben didn't win that title, The Steeler did it despite him.
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He wasn't a star but he did do a nice job managing the game and not losing it for the Steelers.
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Big Ben and Favre? Favre 6'2...Big Ben 6'5
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I will say 2006 because 3 beats 2. Rivers and Big Ben have been great so far, but I think Young, Leinart, and Cutler will all be great.
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Big Ben and Favre? Favre 6'2...Big Ben 6'5
Yeah, I would disagree with almost all of the comparisons. I'm not gonna try to do better because I don't like palyer comparisons, but if we are going to do that I would call Cutler much more similar to Favre than Roethlisberger.
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I will say 2006 because 3 beats 2. Rivers and Big Ben have been great so far, but I think Young, Leinart, and Cutler will all be great.
They could all be great, but I think it's very unlikely all three will be great. Rivers and Roethlisberger and Manning could all be great too, It's a little to early for this conversation to have any real arguments though, mostly from the 2006 side.
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Do you compare everything just physically? Russell can't be compared to Palmer because Russell's athletic, and Boller is a good comparison to Russell since they both have good arms and fair mobility? More goes into a comparison than physical attributes, you know.

Anyway, I'd say 06. Roethlisberger hasn't shown he can really lead the team, Manning is still struggling(although I think he'll get out of it), Losman so far has had one good year, and Rivers has the best OL, Tomlinson, Gates and the most talented D to help him.

Leinart flashed some good potential, VY did as well, and won OROY, and Cutler performed very well in his third of the season. Although, if no 4th QB emerges from 06, and all 4 stay good from 04, then I may be inclined to give it to 04 as long as Leinart, VY and Cutler don't bust out all crazy.
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Big Ben is nothing like favre. If you want to compare him to a great QB it would be Aikman.

Losman is the most like favre. Big risk taker who loves to throw the ball up.

And none of them are like kelly, because none of them run a no huddle offense and call their own plays. Peyton Manning is like Kelly.

Of course, none of those QB's are anywhere near that of great HOFers.
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You're dillusional.
How do you figure.

Just as I said. Manning was a liability who lost games, that his team had to overcome to win.

Losman was a playmaker who won games for his team (two game-winning drives with, would be a third if lindel could his a 40 yard field goal in a dome, or a 50 yarder in wind, would make it a 4th). Manning certainly has potential to be something decent, but at this point in their careers Losman>Manning.

As for the comparison. Each class has produced a probowler (though VY didn't deserve it), and the 04 class has a superbowl ring. Still though, the 06 class is very young, and we've only seen what, a collective 20 games out of them? I do think the 06 class has much more potential. But on play alone, its the 04 class, just because they have more experience thus far.
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Anyway, I'd say 06. Roethlisberger hasn't shown he can really lead the team, Manning is still struggling(although I think he'll get out of it), Losman so far has had one good year, and Rivers has the best OL, Tomlinson, Gates and the most talented D to help him.
Those aren't really fair knocks on those players though. I mean for how great Rivers supporting cast is, you are telling me Leinart doesn't have an even better, amazing receiving core? and that Cutler's coaching and strong defense, as well as deep threat Walker didn't help him develop? Or taht Young....well he kind of just played really good haha. But not all QBs are amazing after just three years, and good casts that help them do better, plus Roethlisberger has shown he can lead a team...he won the Super Bowl. I don't think your criticsims of Rivers, Losman, and Roethlisberger are very fair though.
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I hate how Homers say John Elway is similar to Eli. That is so comical
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I think everyone' writing off Eli a little too soon. Give him a year or two without Coughlin, and we'll see what happens. Coughlin should not have a job right now.
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