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Old 07-27-2006, 02:36 PM    (permalink
 
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Harris, if i recall correctly, only gave up one TD the whole year and shut down CJ85 AANNNNNNDDDDDD STEVE SMITH. You must still be bitter about the packers having the bucs number.
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Al Harris is horrible...
He just mad that Harris didnt let his WR get a 100 yards or even a TD.
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Al Harris is horrible...
85 says he's the 2nd best corner in the league so he's gotta be the best in the norris
you know players say things about other players to be nice right? Just like coaches last year when they would be like the Texans, they would say "that was a great team you just beat out there." Yea thats why they went 2-14.

No way in hell is Harris even in the top 10 CBs in the NFL imo.
How many Packers games did you watch last season? He played very well and even shut down some of the receivers he went up against. Am I saying he is a shutdown corner? No, but he is a good corner, and saying he's horrible is ridiculous.
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I went with Winfield. I've though Harris and Bly were overrated for a while.
In what way shape or form is Harris overrated? You must mean he underrated.
Couldn't be. People always talk about him as a top corner. It'd have to be overrated.
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Out of those 8, the most complete corner right now is Antoine Winfield. Provided he cares and is working hard, the best pure cover guy is probably Fred Smoot, although that's debatable, and I did note that he has to be focused. I think a case could be made for Al Harris against Antoine Winfield, but I still like Winfield better.

Talent wise, I'd rank the 4 teams as: Vikings, Bears, Packers, Lions.
Fit for scheme wise, I'd rank the 4 teams as: Bears, Vikings, Packers, Lions.

But that's just my opinion.
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Interesting voting results. 13-12 for Harris. Hmm ... I have to say, I was tempted on Harris there. I just think that Winfield reads situations better, which is why I gave him the edge. But certainly, I can respect a Harris vote, as I nearly went that route.
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Close poll. I voted for Harris.
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Harris, if i recall correctly, only gave up one TD the whole year and shut down CJ85 AANNNNNNDDDDDD STEVE SMITH. You must still be bitter about the packers having the bucs number.
umm.....yea ok? The bucs beat the Packers so i dont know what you're talking about. And for future reference use the quote button.
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I said Dre Bly he's a big leader on their defense. He's probably one of the best CB's they have ever had.
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Old 07-27-2006, 07:15 PM    (permalink
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I think it's a tie in my mind. I think Winfield has more overall talent, but I think Harris is one of the hardest working guys in the league. To go from 6th round pick, to outstanding NFL corner, is really quite amazing. Winfield was expected to be what he is today. Not sure who I'd pick first to play for my team....I think I'd lean towards Winfield though, just based on age.
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i say harris or winfield, but i chose harris. only givin up 1 TD i n the NFL is almost un heard of. and to the buccaneer fan not to be singling u out or anything but back ur talk up when u say sumthin and not just "he's horrible".
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Harris, if i recall correctly, only gave up one TD the whole year and shut down CJ85 AANNNNNNDDDDDD STEVE SMITH. You must still be bitter about the packers having the bucs number.
umm.....yea ok? The bucs beat the Packers so i dont know what you're talking about. And for future reference use the quote button.
Well we lost by one point and if our kicker didnt miss his FG we would have won so i wouldnt be talking.
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Harris, if i recall correctly, only gave up one TD the whole year and shut down CJ85 AANNNNNNDDDDDD STEVE SMITH. You must still be bitter about the packers having the bucs number.
It's impossible to say which corners shut down which receivers unless you watched and made sure he was actually covering that receiver during the game. I can tell you right now through common sense that Harris didn't hut Steve Smith down. Harris is a RCB. Steve Smith is a flanker. They wouldn't even be lined up on the same side of the field.

Personally, I find it really difficult to vote a RCB as one of the best corners in the game. Right corners are dime a dozen. They play a lot of squat and zone coverage and are often involved in double teams with the free safety. Left corners are the premium corners.
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Harris, if i recall correctly, only gave up one TD the whole year and shut down CJ85 AANNNNNNDDDDDD STEVE SMITH. You must still be bitter about the packers having the bucs number.
umm.....yea ok? The bucs beat the Packers so i dont know what you're talking about. And for future reference use the quote button.
Well we lost by one point and if our kicker didnt miss his FG we would have won so i wouldnt be talking.
how do you know you wouldve won? The bucs had the ball last and ran the clock out, griese couldve thrown another TD or caddy couldve ran one in if we were trying to score.
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Antoine Winfield is the third best CB in the game, and guess what, Al Harris ain't top 2. Winfield easily for me. Harris is a good starter, but Packers fan overrate him.
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I went with Winfield. I've though Harris and Bly were overrated for a while.
In what way shape or form is Harris overrated? You must mean he underrated.
Because all packers fan swear up and down he is a top 5 corner when he has a hard time cracking a top 15 list.
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I like Vasher as a special teamer, but I'm not sold on him as a CB, not yet atleast
Vasher doesn't have great cover skills but he has awesome ball skills and great football intelligence. He rarely got beat (although he went up against #2 recievers most of the time).

Vasher made the Pro Bowl because of his what, 7 or 8 INT's. He's a playmaking CB. He's not a lock down CB like say DeAngelo Hall.

I voted for Vasher because he's a Bear, but I think it's b/w Harris and Winfield. But if I had to choose, I'd go with Winfield.
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Vasher is fast he was made for special teams.
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I went with Winfield. I've though Harris and Bly were overrated for a while.
In what way shape or form is Harris overrated? You must mean he underrated.
Because all packers fan swear up and down he is a top 5 corner when he has a hard time cracking a top 15 list.
How does that make him overrated? Fans telling you that he a top 5 CB makes him overrated, do u even know what overrated means.
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Is Keith Smith the Loins number two CB? If so thats really sad.
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