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Old 04-24-2007, 11:58 AM    (permalink
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Taylor played a flex DE/LB in the Miami scheme. I think he will stick with that role under Cameron.
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over 75% of the time he is in a OLB position as we play a 75% 3-4 and 4-3 the other 25% of the time.

So primarily he is in the LB core for our team. :)



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Oh okay, don't watch the dolphins all that closely, just thought he was always a DE...my mistake.
no worries commonly people think that :) He has been doing this role for 2 years now.

I dont know if we are the best LB core but I think we get into the debate at least (or mentioned at least :) ).

Those Denver linebackers are pretty scary for a group.
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Can any dolphins fan tell me why Taylor only had 2.5 sacks his 3rd year in the league...after putting up 5 and 9 the year before and 14.5 the year after.
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no worries commonly people think that :) He has been doing this role for 2 years now.

I dont know if we are the best LB core but I think we get into the debate at least (or mentioned at least :) ).

Those Denver linebackers are pretty scary for a group.
Yeah that certainly puts them in that debate, especially if Porter can play like he did 2-3 years ago. If Wilhelm and Cooper had proved more before this season, I would be pushing for San Diego at LB, but we'll have to wait until after the season for that one :)
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I recall that Taylor had a shoulder injury that he played through, but I cannot remember what year this was. I'll leave it to the Phins fans.
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Can any dolphins fan tell me why Taylor only had 2.5 sacks his 3rd year in the league...after putting up 5 and 9 the year before and 14.5 the year after.
He was playing on a bum ankle and a sprained knee all year. (I believe it was later found to be broken in one or two places). He also had a broken Collarbone too and missed some games for that then as well earlier on in the year. If you are talking about 1999? The last year of Jimmy/Danny :(

That was the year we went to the playoffs and beat Seattle then flew back across country. I drove up to jacksonville and I dont remember much after that. I spent over 300 in beer that day because I wanted to drink myself to oblivion after a certain game.

That was the last year he actually missed a game I believe. He has a streak of like over 98 straight games or over 100 games now played a in. Pretty durable now for a DE/OLB.

Be interesting to see how long he goes, but this is off-topic :)

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Roy Williams
337tack/6.5sack/17int/3td/33passdefensed

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328tack/4sack/27int/3td/36passdefensed

Putting Roy up against the best S in the game...doesn't look half bad to me.
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If you put forth those stats, you are absolutely correct. However, how many times was Roy absolutely beaten on a deep route where he bit on a PA so badly, that he was out of the play completely? How often was Roy put out there to cover a slot WR or a TE or a RB? BBD is right. You have to look at metrics as a somewhat helpful tool rather than a real solution to a debate. Roy Williams is a very good player and a ridiculous tackler, but his pass cover skills are very suspect.
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Those stats don't involve the players presence and how it is felt by the other team.
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Um yes. I'm pretty sure Anderson had double digit sacks last year, if i recall correctly. I'll take Chicago's interior lineman over Baltimores any day.
Then give me Baltimore's interior lineman EVERYDAY! Kelly Gregg, Trevor Pryce, Haloti Ngata, Justin Bannan, Dwan Edwards, Terrell Suggs on certain plays, yeah thats a hell of a line. Not to mention what Dan Cody will do since when healthy he has played all over the line and whatever draft picks come in.
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Quarterback
1A. New England Patriots
1B. Indianapolis Colts
3. St. Louis Rams
Obviously Brady and Manning are the major anchors, but both the Pats and Colts have promising young talents brewing behind those two giants in Cassel and Sorgi/Navarre. And the Rams come in third thanks to having a starter in Bulger as well as one of the best back-ups in the league in Frerotte.

Runningback
1. New Orleans Saints
2. San Diego Chargers
3. Jacksonville Jaguars
It didn't take long to give the Saints my top pick, with that incomparable duo of McAllister and Bush as well as having Aaron Stecker as the third back on the depth chart who can spell a few carries/catches himself. I'm not sold on the Burner, but LT is the best back in the league, so San Diego gets the nod at #2. The Jags make the list thanks to a loaded backfield of Taylor, Drew, and Jones.

Receiver
1. Indianapolis Colts
2. Arizona Cardinals
3. Chicago Bears
I'm including Dallas Clark as a slot receiver to the Colts, as on a pure WR level, the Cards trio of Boldin/Firzgerald/Johnson is beastly and better than anyone else in the league. They don't make more plays than the Colts' trio of Harrison/Wayne/Clark however, and are not as experienced and durable, so they get bumped to #2. I'll gladly give the Bears' underrated group of Berrian/Muhammed/Bradley/Clark the nod over the Bengals as: (1) Johnson (who I love) is terribly overrated; (2) Henry hurts the team as much as he helps it with his mental make-up and lack of desire; and 3) the Bengals have nothing to speak of from their tight ends.

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1. Philadelphia Eagles
2. San Diego Chargers
3. Indianapolis Colts
That Eagles offensive line has more talent than any other in the league. The Chargers have a good line, although the long-term status of Marcus McNeil is very much in question with his back condition. I can't give the Washington line the nod over the Colts, as the Colts' line with Manning is as good in pass pro as Washington's line is in run blocking, but I'll take the Colts' line to run block than I would Washington's line to pass block.

Defensive Line
1A. Baltimore Ravens
1B. New England Patriots
3. San Diego Chargers
The Ravens have the best 4-3 line in the league with Pryce/Ngata/Gregg/Suggs and the Patriots have the best 3-4 line in the league with Seymour/Wilfork/Warren, and I'll just call it a tie. Much as I love those two beasties in the middle at Jacksonville, their pass rush from their ends leave enough to be desired such that I'll put the Chargers' impressive line of Castillo/Williams/Olshansky at third.

Linebacker
1. Green Bay Packers
2. Miami Dolphins
3. Baltimore Ravens
The Packers have the most-balanced set of linebackers imo as well as a thumper in Hodge on the bench (a liability in coverage however). I also like the Dolphins' group, obviously including Jason Taylor thanks to play as 3-4 OLB in recent years, and the Ravens still have a great core despite the loss of Adalius Thomas - assuming they can stay healthy that is. As impressive as the Patriots' starting four of Colvin/Bruschi/Vrabel/Thomas is on paper, I can't put it in my top three until they see the field, plus I still think they could use a young ILB to improve their current coverage ability.

Secondary
1. Baltimore Ravens
2. Philadelphia Eagles
3. Chicago Bears
Samari Rolle is a weakness for the Ravens, but the Ravens can obviously manage. Allthough the Eagles have the best starting duo of corners in the league in Shepherd and Brown, they are unimpressive at strong safety and third/nickel corner. The Bears not only have the best trio of corners in the league with Tillman/Vasher/Manning Jr., but Archuleta is an excellent addition to make sure they don't miss a beat at strong safety, whether or not Mike Brown is with the team, and Manning is a very talented, young player who needs to continue gaining experience at free safety. The Bears could very well move up this list.
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giants DL!!! well sorta- our DE's all around are the best, and I'd love to see your starting DT have 2 INT's in one year!
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The only player in their secondary worth talking about is Newman. I think the guy is a legitimate top three corner, but beyond him, I'm not impressed.

Everytime I watch Anthony Henry, he gets burned. Roy Williams' strength in the run game doesn't overcome what an absolute liability he is in pass coverage. And their free safety situation? It's laughable.
Henry was hurt all year, and when healthy he is a great #2 CB. And Hamlin should bring some stability to the FS position. That said, I still don't think we have a top 2 secondary. They are good, maybe top 5, but not top 2. If Roy williams returns to pro-bowl form they can be in the discussion, but not right now.

And even if you guys hate T.O., our WRs have to be in this discussion. Don't forget about patrick crayton as well.
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Um yes. I'm pretty sure Anderson had double digit sacks last year, if i recall correctly. I'll take Chicago's interior lineman over Baltimores any day.
id take Gregg + Ngata over Harris. 2 heads is better than 1

Anderson had sacks..oh big deal. Ravens were the best defense and it starts with the 4 men down in the trenches.


Pryce: 13 sacks
Suggs: 9.5 sacks

Ogun: 6.5 sacks
Brown: 7 sacks
^all were full time starters.
Anderson had 12 sacks but why wasnt he a starter if hes so good? Hes still got to develope as an all around player.

why do people try to use #s as a metric to the best unit? like this situation and Roy vs Ed ?

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Regarding the first post in this thread, I'm not sure the Eagles and Skins have the best O-lines.
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Regarding the first post in this thread, I'm not sure the Eagles and Skins have the best O-lines.
Id say the Eagles do, but I don't know about the Skins anymore. SD has a pretty good oline.

NE's oline is vastly underrated.

NO's Oline is up there.

Indy's of course is real good.

Am I missing anyone?
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i think they do..pretty sure about Skins..very underrated OL..helped Portis get 1000 before..now Betts

Brunnel got sacked 12 times in 9 games while Campbell 7 times in 7 games..i think thats pretty good considering who Brunell is. They have 3 pretty good guys in Samuels-Thomas-Jansen
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Id say the Eagles do, but I don't know about the Skins anymore. SD has a pretty good oline.

NE's oline is vastly underrated.

NO's Oline is up there.

Indy's of course is real good.

Am I missing anyone?
i think Jaguars have a pretty good OL or am i wrong?
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Id say the Eagles do, but I don't know about the Skins anymore. SD has a pretty good oline.

NE's oline is vastly underrated.

NO's Oline is up there.

Indy's of course is real good.

Am I missing anyone?
Well I wasn't originally take into account all the guys retired in KC. Forgot about that. But you can never count out Denver with their style. I mean just looking up numbers even the Giants O-line is right on par with the Eagles/Skins even with losing our LT for half the season. We gave up similar amounts of sacks, and rushed for just as much if not more. I know that doesn't say it all but I'm not ready to proclaim the Skins and Eagles as the best O-lines in the NFL. A lot of teams are right on par with them.
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yeah, i'd rather have had gerard warren and michael myers by the same awful logic. great argument.



yeah, let me throw out some stats, but use others to prove that "my" guys are still better. flawless logic.



because people like you are unable to coherently argue against them?
psshh DT's for sacks? the giants use there's for much needed INTs
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Remind me to punch Tim Lewis in the face.


ONLY TIM LEWIS....has the genius to spy Brian Westbrook with William Joseph.


I couldn't even try to be that stupid.
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Id say the Eagles do, but I don't know about the Skins anymore. SD has a pretty good oline.

NE's oline is vastly underrated.

NO's Oline is up there.

Indy's of course is real good.

Am I missing anyone?
Our line is pretty underrated... although, at times we do look average. We greatly need to improve our running block as well.
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What is "our line"? I'm not sure which one you mean.
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psshh DT's for sacks? the giants use there's for much needed INTs
Psshh! The Bears use their DT's for Touchdowns and destroying linebackers at the line of scrimmage.

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