MMA Discussion Thread - SPOILERS! - Page 487

fenikz · 12-10-2011, 09:37 PM

how about no please :/

bad enough having to watch it on replays over and over like Corey Hill's leg

josh07039 · 12-10-2011, 09:37 PM

I have lurked on sherdog a little just to hear crazy opinions. A lot of morons on that site have said that mirs grappling is overrated and he hasnt subbed anyone worth it. I think its hard to argue with his grappling now. Id actually like to see Mir against Cain. I think that the only way we know if Mir is worth anything is for him to go through a guy of Cains caliber. I think Cain would rightfull be favored but mir would have several avenues to victory as well.

SeanTaylorRIP · 12-10-2011, 09:37 PM

damn i think Mir was actually out for a little, but sick bjj, his mix of technique and strength as a heavy=deadly bjj. I think Nog was already tapping though before the final yank upwards to break his arm.

E-Man · 12-10-2011, 09:38 PM

What makes that such a great win is how so many Pride fanboys talked massive **** about Mir before and after the first fight. First it was that Mir's BJJ was nowhere near Nog's level, then it was that Mir got lucky. Now it'll be something completely different. lol

Rob S · 12-10-2011, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by josh07039

I have lurked on sherdog a little just to hear crazy opinions. A lot of morons on that site have said that mirs grappling is overrated and he hasnt subbed anyone worth it. I think its hard to argue with his grappling now. Id actually like to see Mir against Cain. I think that the only way we know if Mir is worth anything is for him to go through a guy of Cains caliber. I think Cain would rightfull be favored but mir would have several avenues to victory as well.

That's fine with me. Mir will absolutely get wrecked unless Cain has turned *****, but he deserves a step up fight. Cain would be absolutely perfect....Mir gets the big fight he feels he deserves (and kind of does I guess) and Cain gets a good bounceback win that should be relatively easy imo.

Complex · 12-10-2011, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by josh07039

I have lurked on sherdog a little just to hear crazy opinions. A lot of morons on that site have said that mirs grappling is overrated and he hasnt subbed anyone worth it. I think its hard to argue with his grappling now. Id actually like to see Mir against Cain. I think that the only way we know if Mir is worth anything is for him to go through a guy of Cains caliber. I think Cain would rightfull be favored but mir would have several avenues to victory as well.

I never post on sherdog UFC discussion section they are so stupid.

FuzzyGopher · 12-10-2011, 09:42 PM

This whole card has been amazing so far.

Rob S · 12-10-2011, 09:42 PM

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I never post on sherdog UFC discussion section they are so stupid.

Yup. Diet and Supplement and Strength & Power sections are great though. So many knowledgable guys there.

Rob S · 12-10-2011, 09:44 PM

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This whole card has been amazing so far.

The main card? Really? It has been alright, but aside from the Nog-Mir groundwork I don't think anything has been particularly great. Zombie KO was cool because it was so quick, but it wasn't HL reel quality. Nog beating up on Tito was pretty cool because it was Tito, but you see that type of G&P at least once on every PPV card. Idk.

josh07039 · 12-10-2011, 09:45 PM

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That's fine with me. Mir will absolutely get wrecked unless Cain has turned *****, but he deserves a step up fight. Cain would be absolutely perfect....Mir gets the big fight he feels he deserves (and kind of does I guess) and Cain gets a good bounceback win that should be relatively easy imo.

The thing is that while it is conceivable that Cain could use his crazy cardio and wrestling to win, he has shown that he can be knocked out by JDS and stunned easily by Kongo. Mir has much more ability to finish when someone is stunned than Kongo in that he can jump on a guillotine as he did against kongo, etc. Mir could also submit cain on the ground. We don't even know if Cain is prone to submissions or being swept because he hasnt gone up against a guy of mirs caliber. Most likely though, Mir shows a weak chin or just gets pounded on the ground.

FuzzyGopher · 12-10-2011, 09:48 PM

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The main card? Really? It has been alright, but aside from the Nog-Mir groundwork I don't think anything has been particularly great. Zombie KO was cool because it was so quick, but it wasn't HL reel quality. Nog beating up on Tito was pretty cool because it was Titio, but you see that type of G&P at least once on every PPV card. Idk.

Prelims had 3 finishes too, I dunno, it's just been really entertaining for some reason. Not a lot of technical battles but a lot of crazy knockouts and subs.

Rob S · 12-10-2011, 09:51 PM

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The thing is that while it is conceivable that Cain could use his crazy cardio and wrestling to win, he has shown that he can be knocked out by JDS and stunned easily by Kongo. Mir has much more ability to finish when someone is stunned than Kongo in that he can jump on a guillotine as he did against kongo, etc. Mir could also submit cain on the ground. We don't even know if Cain is prone to submissions or being swept because he hasnt gone up against a guy of mirs caliber. Most likely though, Mir shows a weak chin or just gets pounded on the ground.

I get what you're saying.....it's somewhat interesting. I just don't think Mir is all that great quite honestly.

Rob S · 12-10-2011, 09:52 PM

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Prelims had 3 finishes too, I dunno, it's just been really entertaining for some reason. Not a lot of technical battles but a lot of crazy knockouts and subs.

I didn't watch prelims, so idk about those. I love finishes as much as the next guy, but I like my fight to last more than 5 minutes sometimes too haha.

Rob S · 12-10-2011, 09:58 PM

Stylezzz make fightzzz

Rob S · 12-10-2011, 10:03 PM

Good call on the TD by Bones. He needed that.

LTgiants · 12-10-2011, 10:04 PM

One word to describe that choke: Nasty.

Raiderz4Life · 12-10-2011, 10:05 PM

wow...wtf just happened lol didn't even see that guillotine

josh07039 · 12-10-2011, 10:06 PM

That was a fun fight in general and I didnt doubt his toughness, but he definitley showed that he has room to improve and also that he is dominant in every part of the game and can finish in a number of ways. Who beats him?

E-Man · 12-10-2011, 10:07 PM

Jon Jones haters are going to have some serious health problems hating on the dude. What a helluva finish!

Rob S · 12-10-2011, 10:08 PM

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That was a fun fight in general and I didnt doubt his toughness, but he definitley showed that he has room to improve and also that he is dominant in every part of the game and can finish in a number of ways. Who beats him?

Hendo is an obvious answer, but Phil Davis might have the best chance imo.