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Old 07-07-2012, 05:19 PM    (permalink
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I love how all anyone talks about are the adjustments Chael will make. The Magalhaes camp more than likely was simply drilling Chael on adjustments to prevent getting caught in a couple different subs when he's on top and nothing more.
Which, if that camp was successful, is a drastic difference for Sonnen from now and then.

His fundamental inexperience with jiu-jitsu cost him that fight. Thatís all there is to it. He dominated Silva for over four rounds and then slipped up. I donít think people are (or, at least, shouldnít be) expecting Sonnen to hit a textbook gogoplata or flying armbar less than a minute into the fight. Some smart, defensive jiu-jitsu is all he needs.

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No one's talking about things Silva did in that fight and what he'll change. People are acting like there are no adjustments he can make. And that's just dumb.

Silva didn't even defend the take downs in the first fight. Not exactly sure why, but it was a bad strategy (almost exactly what Gayguard did against Mo). He said he went into the fight wanting to submit Chael. He just didn't even try to keep it standing until the latter parts of Round 4. There's a huge difference between bad takedown defense and simply not defending takedowns. Spider went with the latter in the first fight.

Anderson also wasn't moving very much in the fight. He was basically fighting straight back and forth with Chael rather than circling, which is one of the things he does so well.
First, Silva doesnít have a track record of great takedown defense. Itís clear that if thereís a hole in his game, his wrestling is it. Since joining the UFC, his takedown defense percentage is less than 70%, which isnít a sterling number. And it hasnít been just Sonnen to do it to him. That fight wasnít some kind of outlier where he struggled to keep it standing for whatever reason.

Silva doesnít defend takedowns with the same vigilance of other strikers because heís got supreme confidence in his submissions from the bottom. I believe heís said as much before. Not to mention, heís an aggressive striker once heís nailed down his opponentís timing. Standing back to defend takedowns at all costs limit the kinds of clinical combinations Silva can throw.

The problem is Sonnen doesnít give Silva the chance to get a great feel for things or pick up on his timing. He wrestles at a furious pace. He rushes like a bull, switches levels well, and is adaptive based on the situations. Singles, doubles, clinch throws, trips, etc. He can use them all depending on how and where he gets hold of his opponent.

Also, Silva attacks at angles and circles well against other stand-up specialists. Footwork and distance control are different when facing prolific wrestlers though. Silva has some tools to test Sonnenís heart, like pawing out his jab and straight kick, both of which are among the best in MMA, but if Chael is willing to eat some shots to close, then things will get interesting.

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I expect a lot of circling from Silva, which is a huge difference from the last fight and I expect Chael to have a really hard time getting close to him, and when he does get close, he's going to take a ton of damage. This one isn't going 5 rounds. And if it isn't going 5 rounds, we all know who wins.
And Sonnen has a lot of practice at cutting off the Octagon, too. Sonnenís wrestling pedigree is real impressive. These two are the inverse of each other, and the outcome depends on who does a better job of imposing their will. If the fight is fought in the phone booth, it favors Sonnen. If Silva has been drilled on more disciplined distance control, Sonnen could be in for a frustrating night. But, given Andersonís insistence on unspeakable devastation, I think itís fair to believe heís going to be aggressive and leave himself open for some takedowns, which Chael used en route to controlling him for almost five rounds before.

Granted, I still favor Silva because I believe he's the more complete fighter. But there seems to be the notion that this rematch is a prime example of lightning not striking twice and Sonnen being a loudmouth that can't match Silva again. Stylistically, he's got the tools to do it again.
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I'm a Philppou fan. Was going to say I expected a little more from him this fight, right before he got that massive poke in the eye. That looked vicious and nasty.
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I'm a Philppou fan. Was going to say I expected a little more from him this fight, right before he got that massive poke in the eye. That looked vicious and nasty.
I love Rogan's comments.
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Yea that made me laugh, Joe says some funny ****.
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That's a terrible decision imo.
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Between Tibau and Roller, there have been some serious Buzz Killingtons out tonight.
Both their opponents came to fight, they came to play defense and win the UD.
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YEA GO MENJIVAR!!! Pride of El Salvador!! Hha
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Boo...Menjivar I is disappoint
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Started nice but kinda turned into a bit of shadow boxing...
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Menjivar showed no interest in fighting just back peddled the whole time, big ups Hulk repping the DMV, 3-0 in the UFC, he deserves a contender now. I used to work security at UWC fights where Hulk used to fight and that guy is a crazy SOB. Now has wins over Jon Dodson, Chase Beebee, Jared Papazian, and Ivan Menjivar very promising.
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I think Rousey probably weighs more than McKenzie does and he is 6'0 tall. haha
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that was fast. It was done before I even finished submitting the last comment.
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ummmm yeah like i said earlier, what a waste of a fight but anything that makes Anderson fight happen faster.
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That was so predictable. McKenzie's striking is horrible. Was kinda rooting for him but...knew it would end horribly.
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anyone got a good stream?
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thanks boss, works great
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I do!!! firstrow is down for me. Please PM if anyone has one...


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That is what I was using and it was working great until 2 seconds ago. I may need the pm too. I will search a couple of the others that work.
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1st round sub by guillotine for Mckenzie. Just watch. I just love watching his fights and rooting to see some ************ get choked out.
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