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View Poll Results: Who deserves a title shot more?
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Old 09-21-2013, 11:41 PM    (permalink
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49-46 is some bull crap. But still. Amazing fight.
Yeah, that was ********.
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Great fight, I had Gustafsson though
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Holy ****. That might have topped Shogun-Lil Nog

Gustuffson wins that one if they didn't take take down defense out of scoring (which is ********).
Yeah....TKD means nothing in scoring for some reason. If it did, Gustaffson definitely.
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Jon won rounds 4+5 clearly, Gus won 1+3 clearly, round 2 is a tossup. Gus landed more significant, Jones landed more. I would just call it a draw. I hate title immediate rematches but this has to be one, Jones has to prove that he can decisively beat Gus or it will always be hanging over his head. Let Glover fight Phil Davis or Cormier in an eliminator.
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I had it 3-2 for the Swede.
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Yeah....TKD means nothing in scoring for some reason. If it did, Gustaffson definitely.
Always so hard to tell what they score. If they claim they score for things like pushing the action, aggressor on the feet, ring control, etc, you'd think that TKD would be scoreable.
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Jon won rounds 4+5 clearly, Gus won 1+3 clearly, round 2 is a tossup. Gus landed more significant, Jones landed more. I would just call it a draw. I hate title immediate rematches but this has to be one, Jones has to prove that he can decisively beat Gus or it will always be hanging over his head. Let Glover fight Phil Davis or Cormier in an eliminator.
I really hate that they took takedown defense out of scoring. It made for a ******** decision in the Davis-Machida fight and was a huge factor in this fight that shouldn't be discarded.

Gus was dominating the 4th until he got caught with that elbow and the 5th was close until he gassed. I think it should be done again, but it's tough to say Glover should sit out or take another fight while he waits. I always think it's ******** when promoters do that to fighters.
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Always so hard to tell what they score. If they claim they score for things like pushing the action, aggressor on the feet, ring control, etc, you'd think that TKD would be scoreable.
They took it out of the scoring (there actually are rules for scoring - though you'd never be able to tell). It used to count just as much as takedowns. I forget when exactly they took it out, but it was in the last year or so. They just continue to reward garbage wrestlers who bring nothing else to the table.
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Always so hard to tell what they score. If they claim they score for things like pushing the action, aggressor on the feet, ring control, etc, you'd think that TKD would be scoreable.
Gus pushed the first three rounds and came out good in 4. Then Bones took over.

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I agree with STRIP. Jones clearly took 4 and 5. Gus clearly had 1 and 3. They have to do a rematch next. Glover Texiera be dammed.
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Very close fight, so it's not a robbery. I think that Jones took it. Those first three rounds were pretty close despite Rogan's bias. The last two were definitely Jones, and I think he took the second. I can see an argument for Gus winning the first three rounds though. Great great fight.
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I really hate that they took takedown defense out of scoring. It made for a ******** decision in the Davis-Machida fight and was a huge factor in this fight that shouldn't be discarded.

Gus was dominating the 4th until he got caught with that elbow and the 5th was close until he gassed. I think it should be done again, but it's tough to say Glover should sit out or take another fight while he waits. I always think it's ******** when promoters do that to fighters.
I don't think anyone would complain if it happened to Glover, yeah he's got the hype now as the guy who can beat Bones, but we found that guy tonight. And truth be told Glover's best win is either a falsely ranked top 10 fighter in Bader, or a washed up Rampage on a 2 fight losing streak. Nothing against Glover but I feel he should win a fight against a definitive top 10 if not top 5 fighter before he gets pushed to a title shot especially now. Phil Davis, Cormier, Lil Nog , and especially Mousasi would all be great testing grounds.
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Once Jones moves to HW the belt is Alexander's

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Very close fight, so it's not a robbery. I think that Jones took it. Those first three rounds were pretty close despite Rogan's bias. The last two were definitely Jones, and I think he took the second. I can see an argument for Gus winning the first three rounds though. Great great fight.
My favorite thing Roganism that fight was overselling the headkicks late in the fight that were ALL blocked by Gus.

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I don't think anyone would complain if it happened to Glover, yeah he's got the hype now as the guy who can beat Bones, but we found that guy tonight. And truth be told Glover's best win is either a falsely ranked top 10 fighter in Bader, or a washed up Rampage on a 2 fight losing streak. Nothing against Glover but I feel he should win a fight against a definitive top 10 if not top 5 fighter before he gets pushed to a title shot especially now. Phil Davis, Cormier, Lil Nog , and especially Mousasi would all be great testing grounds.
I actually thing Te Huna was his best win, but...yeah, I don't disagree with that sentiment.
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Nah, Rogan was all about Gus. Those headkicks were legit. Even if his hand was up, they were heavy.

I feel pretty good about my 48-47 for Jones. I want to see this again though.
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I had 48-47 Gus or draw. Didn't think Bones did enough to justify a win. But weve seen the price title challengers pay on the scorecard if they don't finish. Benefit of the doubt was gonna go to Bones. Would love to see a rematch though...
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Meh. I really hate 10-10 rounds. Especially in MMA.
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I thought Gustafsson did enough at the end of the first round to win that round, and then I thought he won the next two rounds while JBJ clearly won the last two rounds. The fight in Gustafson was amazing towards the end. I don't know how he was able to survive those last two rounds and fend off Jones.
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I don't. I think there should be more of them, especially in earlier rounds.
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I thought Gustafsson did enough at the end of the first round to win that round, and then I thought he won the next two rounds while JBJ clearly won the last two rounds. The fight in Gustafson was amazing towards the end. I don't know how he was able to survive those last two rounds and fend off Jones.
Well, I mean...he was DOMINATING the 4th round until the 30 second mark. It wasn't even close until Jones landed that spinning elbow. And there was a very obvious moment at the 2:00 mark in the 5th where Gus just gassed. Up until that point, the 5th was pretty close (even after, it was a lot closer than it looked...Jones was just throwing head kicks, but Gus was blocking them and responding with combinations).
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That fight IMO could easily have been called a draw, I would love to see it again and see what adjustments are made on both sides.

Also... how good is Renan Barao? Wow that kick!

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I don't. I think there should be more of them, especially in earlier rounds.
I couldn't disagree more. Judges are paid to make tough decisions and they should, whenever possible, do it. Especially in a 3 round fight. Many people in the MMA/Boxing/Combat Sports community feel this way.
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Also supposedly Jones messed up his foot again early in the fight.
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