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Old 09-23-2013, 12:57 AM    (permalink
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I couldn't disagree more. Judges are paid to make tough decisions and they should, whenever possible, do it. Especially in a 3 round fight. Many people in the MMA/Boxing/Combat Sports community feel this way.
But it really goes against making the ultimately correct decision when deciding who won a fight. If it's a close round -- too close to "call", just call it a draw. It's better than giving it to a guy and then having that toss-up, arbitrary decision be a deciding factor in the wrong guy winning a fight or the decision not correctly reflecting the fight as a whole.

I might agree that more pressure should be on choosing a round winner in the final round, but in early rounds? If it's a close round, call it a draw. The ensuing round(s) will decide the fight anyway.

MMA is different from boxing. Less rounds and more variety of tactics.
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Looks like Ali after Frazier 3. Good to see Jones in a war on his way to legend status. Maybe they should fight in Kinshasha next so that they can chant "Jon Jones bumaye! Jon Jones bumaye!"
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But it really goes against making the ultimately correct decision when deciding who won a fight. If it's a close round -- too close to "call", just call it a draw. It's better than giving it to a guy and then having that toss-up, arbitrary decision be a deciding factor in the wrong guy winning a fight or the decision not correctly reflecting the fight as a whole.

I might agree that more pressure should be on choosing a round winner in the final round, but in early rounds? If it's a close round, call it a draw. The ensuing round(s) will decide the fight anyway.

MMA is different from boxing. Less rounds and more variety of tactics.
I agree completely with the last statement. I am much more inclined to give a 10-10 in boxing. Much more inclined. I disagree with the above though....very few round are truly too close to call. 99% of the time you have a gut feeling who took it. As a judge, you need to go with that imo.

I mean, this is a bit of a pointless argument, just know that 1 former UFC fighter and several pro boxers agree with me.
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Rousimar Palhares cut from the UFC for holding on a submission after it was stopped.
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Rousimar Palhares cut from the UFC for holding on a submission after it was stopped.
Good. I was yelling at my tv last night. Palhares is a douche.
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Didn't watch that fight yet.

Disappointed that Erik Silva got finished DYK. That was a really exciting fight, though. Silva needs more fights and they need to stop reserving him for Brazil events.

Jake Shields should be cut for being boring. Props for showing great grapple defense against the best ground game in MMA, but he didn't (try to) do anything. Not that I am saying Maia won, but Shields made a turd sandwich out of that fight. I think it's ridiculous that he was given a Main Event slot in the first place.

Also, trying to figure out the math behind one judge scoring Silva-Hamill 29-27...
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Shields has to beat everyone to get a title shot, at least he exposed Maia as not having a shot vs GSP instead of wasting a title shot. Also I'm not a Palhares fan but getting cut for that i think is absurd, ok he held it for an extra second and it's his second offense but if you are going to cut a guy for that than how about guys who land shots after the guy is KO'ed or the ref has stepped in.
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Shields has to beat everyone to get a title shot, at least he exposed Maia as not having a shot vs GSP instead of wasting a title shot.
GSP wouldn't have gone to the ground with Maia and wouldn't have escaped the positions Maia put Shields in. Maia has the best all-around, and probably the best offensive ground game in MMA, but Shields probably has the best defensive ground game.
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GSP wouldn't have gone to the ground with Maia and wouldn't have escaped the positions Maia put Shields in. Maia has the best all-around, and probably the best offensive ground game in MMA, but Shields probably has the best defensive ground game.
Well GSP on his feet would pick apart Maia going in and out with the jab for 5 rounds, All Maia has standing is a looping left hand. I don't think Maia could clinch and trip up GSP like he did Jake a couple times.
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Who cares? Everyone is a wasted title shot vs GSP barring a flukey punch or sub. Except Hendricks. He is a boss.
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Or Rory Mac. But that will never happen.
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Who cares? Everyone is a wasted title shot vs GSP barring a flukey punch or sub. Except Hendricks. He is a boss.
I don't know that you can be so dismissive. GSP is the master of decisions, his fighting style and strengths make it largely impossible to win on the scorecards. Perhaps Askren could take him down but I am frankly skeptical. Any finish can be dismissed as flukey on a guy as dominant as GSP but I wouldn't mind seeing condit if he can get a win or two under his belt impressively. He has the aggressive style on his back and the feet means he has a finishers chance everywhere. I don't think condit would really have a shot in a rematch but he seems like a better option than anybody after hendricks.
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GSP would eviscerate Condit and everyone else. I am convinced of this.
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Condit's been his best competition outside of Serra landing a lucky haymaker. It's a legit rematch, but I'm sure they'll be looking for something else to do with GSP if he gets past Hendricks.
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I used to like GSP....now I can't wait for him to lose.
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Shields has to beat everyone to get a title shot, at least he exposed Maia as not having a shot vs GSP instead of wasting a title shot. Also I'm not a Palhares fan but getting cut for that i think is absurd, ok he held it for an extra second and it's his second offense but if you are going to cut a guy for that than how about guys who land shots after the guy is KO'ed or the ref has stepped in.
He has a history of doing it. It isn't just landing an extra blow, you can break bones, tear ligaments etc by holding those longer.
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It was definitely Paul Harris's history of holding subs too long that got him booted. This particular incident wasn't super obvious, but it was the last straw.
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It was definitely Paul Harris's history of holding subs too long that got him booted. This particular incident wasn't super obvious, but it was the last straw.
Exactly. MMA has struggled to get sanctioned in states. It is fighting hard against the asinine assumptions of it being a barbaric blood sport. The UFC HAS to come down hard on guys like this to protect the image of the sport. It's a professional sport now. Act like a damn professional.
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I think it also comes down to the type of submission too. Leglocks are unbelievably painful and dangerous. I recently had 5 weeks in a row of leg/ankle lock classes on sundays and I wasn't in a single one done with the full intent of submitting me and it still hurt like hell just from going back and forth practicing with partners. I wonder if Pierce has a serious injury, I wouldn't be shocked at all to hear he does. If it were a one off Palhares would still be in the UFC but he has done it in BJJ and MMA multiple times. He doesnt sound like hes a bad guy, just a moron who has no brain function when he fights.
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I mean, Diego was never in that fight. He losses excitingly, I'll give him that.
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I mean, Diego was never in that fight. He losses excitingly, I'll give him that.
So that knockdown dont count or....
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Woooooooooooppp! Can't wait for this fight to start.
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