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Old 05-01-2007, 03:09 PM    (permalink
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If McNabb goes down again for the rest of the season. He is done. Thats just my opinion. If he ever breaks a leg, or tears an ACL again, I can't see him ever having a career in Philly again. Sure Feely could fill in for the remainder of one season. But they got a guy now who will be cheap and signed to probably a 5 or 6 year deal. This guy fits their scheme perfectly, and can be a backup for now but definately has starting potential. Way more than Feely.
I wonder how McNabb feels about this. Whats lost in all of this is how much of a pompous ass McNabb is. Most of his teammates dislike him, and he's a fake person.

Its no coincidence that so many teammates sided with TO during that whole fiasco.
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they could've had much better value at their 2nd rounder from dallas and the browns. i mean leonard was there(thank god they didnt take him) along with jarret, rice, and durant(as jones was released) also, kolb wasnt the best QB there. Staton and Beck are better QB's IMO and probably even Edwards
Stanton is garbage. In my opinion at least. Beck is 26 and Kolb fits the WCO better in my opinion.

I ranked the QBs. Quinn, Russel, Edwards, then Kolb. But Kolb definately fits the system in Philly better than Edwards.

Now the Bills getting Edwards where they did. That was a steal. They say there is no pressure on Losman's job now, but when Edwards gets on the field we will see.
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I wonder how McNabb feels about this. Whats lost in all of this is how much of a pompous ass McNabb is. Most of his teammates dislike him, and he's a fake person.

Its no coincidence that so many teammates sided with TO during that whole fiasco.
Eh, if McNabb could stay healthy the Eagles wouldn't have had to take Kolb. It should just motivate him even more to stay in better shape and work that much harder in the film room/weight room/etc.
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McNabb hasn't played a full season since 2003. Even then, he was significantly dinged with the ankle and hand injuries. McNabb played full seasons in 2000 and 2001, then had the broken fibula in 2002. In 2003-2004, he was injury free, but he was rested at the end of 2004 due to the clinched homefield in Week 13. In 2005, he had the hernia, and in 2006, he had the ACL. Out of 7 seasons as the full time starter, McNabb has played in all 16 games a total of 3. He was healthy in 4 of those 7 seasons. He is now 31 and has had 3 significant surgeries. This is probably his last chance to bounce back. Sportswriters in Philly called McNabb's ACL tear the beginning of the end of his career in Philly. He will always be a great Eagle, but he can't be counted on until he proves otherwise.
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I have to say, Philly wasn't nearly as hateable without McNabb in the lineup.



















...........Ok, I lied. Screw Philly.
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I wonder how McNabb feels about this. Whats lost in all of this is how much of a pompous ass McNabb is. Most of his teammates dislike him, and he's a fake person.

Its no coincidence that so many teammates sided with TO during that whole fiasco.
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Eh, if McNabb could stay healthy the Eagles wouldn't have had to take Kolb. It should just motivate him even more to stay in better shape and work that much harder in the film room/weight room/etc.
I don't care how McNabb feels about it. This is his team for now, but his own inability to stay on the field contributed to the team making this move. Philly is his team and his city, but he needs to stay and play 16 games before he can be trusted fully again. If McNabb played all 16 games in 2006, I guarantee you the Eagles would have thought more before taking Kolb.
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Look at the board when the Eagles made that trade. There was no one of legitimate value there for the Eagles. You could say the Poz and Houston and Branch were there, but the Eagles didn't like those guys. All of the top safeties were gone. They would have had to reach to make a pick. All of a sudden, Dallas is there offering more than chart value for the pick for them to move back 10 spots and get an extra first day pick. Why not make that deal? Who cares if it was Dallas? The team got exceptional value to trade out of a pick it didn't want. The team saved itself millions of dollars and plenty of cap room by trading back. Would you have thought more of the draft if it was Indianapolis that traded up? I doubt it. This is an artificial critique, and it makes no sense.
bsaza, there were plenty of more talented players availible. this was sort of a need pick, if you can really call it that. i mean feeley and holcomb are very servicible back ups. i dont really mind the trading down at all, especially since the cowboys got spencer, but there was better talent than Kolb availibe in round 2
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bsaza, there were plenty of more talented players availible. this was sort of a need pick, if you can really call it that. i mean feeley and holcomb are very servicible back ups. i dont really mind the trading down at all, especially since the cowboys got spencer, but there was better talent than Kolb availibe in round 2
That is a completely different argument than what you spouted earlier. Your earlier remark was that letting the Cowboys back into round 1 was one of the bigger mistakes they made. Now, you're switching and saying that Kolb was a poor value pick.

I agree with you that the Kevin Kolb selection at #36 overall was confusing and perhaps frustrating. I was very upset to hear about that pick. I have done some research and looked at game film. I see a lot of Matt Hasselbeck in Kolb's game. I think Kolb will need a ton of work to make things happen, but so did MH on the Seahawks under Holmgren. If the Eagles got the next Hasselbeck and also added Abriamiri, Bradley, and Tony Hunt, I'm all for it.
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I don't know if Meachem wouldve impacted their team with to the same effect as a guy like Posluszny would.
I don't see Posluszy being a huge upgrade over Scott Shanle in terms of the impact he would make on our defense. Meachem will be a huge upgrade over Devery Henderson, Terrance Copper and the rest of the wide receivers, minus Marques Colston. Meachem is a very good player with lots of upside, has a strong character and is willing to learn. The same can be said about Poz, although he doesn't have much upside and wasn't the PBA at the 27th spot.

The worse thing you could do is reach for need. If a player you have rated as a 10-18 pick falls to you at 27, it's an easy choice to make.
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at first i put it was dumb trading with the cowboys, but i posted again about the kolb pick. honestly, i'm not gonna argue about another teams pick with a fan of that team, b/c i will lose. i dont know as much about the eagles as you do, and probably vice versa for u and the gmen. i hate it when "anaylists" trash the giants a lot, making dumb and false points as they dont completly focus on them as i do.
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Listen, Scotty, I'm still not thrilled with the Kolb pick, but I was fine with the move up. Analysts are all hung up on the Eagles letting the Cowboys come back into the first round. They fail to mention that the Cowboys overpaid, and the Eagles didn't like anyone on the board. The savings in cap room and guaranteed money + the extra picks makes it a good deal. Dallas didn't get a slam dunk pick. They got a player who has some value, but he hasn't played much LB and is pretty unfamiliar with the 3-4 D. His impact may be high or may not be. Regardless, the Eagles got, at worst, a tie out of the Cowboys deal.
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bsaza, i agree. my first post wasnt thought out at all. you're 100% right as there was no1 there for them in round 1. i just thought the kolb pick was a little off. trust me, i dont want to get in a debate about the eagles with you!


the weird thing is, you're right, dallas did over pay, and to take.. anthony spencer???
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I don't know if Meachem wouldve impacted their team with to the same effect as a guy like Posluszny would.
Posluszny was the man I wanted when the Saints were on the clock. He would have been the type of linebacker that would have immediately impacted our defense, as well as providing the leadership that great defenses possess. Even though the Saints signed a leader in Brian Simmons this free agency, Puz would have immediately improved the middle linebacker position so that Simmons could have slid over to the weakside where he can make plays and move around. Another excellent choice would have been Greg Olsen who would have given the Saints the extra dimension to their offense which they did not have last season and have not had in a while.
Meachem, while he might have BPA, filled a slight need but not a pressing need like Puz or Olsen would have filled.

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Your first post was mimicking the arguments of Mortensen and Kiper, who really missed the boat on this point. I don't blame you for trusting their expertise. After all, why would ESPN lead you astray? I'm glad you understand my point. My whole arugment was that the trade back itself was a good move by the Eagles. The fact that they took Kolb was irrelevant to that discussion.
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yes, and i am very ashamed i mimicked espn :( but they hated teh fact giants didnt pick staley, i know it was scott's pick, but the giants have the same type of project-type LT already in guy whimper. i mean espn kept saying how bad they needed him and how we didnt help eli at all. i say bringing in a athletic #2 TE, another WR, RB(in droughns) and getting some defense that could maybe stop someone could help.
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I thought Ross was a very solid pick for the Giants. I liked their draft in general. There are some OLine worries, but I think the CB situation warranted attention. There are a lot of position-flexible guys on the Giants roster, and I think they will do okay. It will be a weak spot for them early, but they should shore things up. After all, there's no way that they could possibly have more injuries in 2007 as they did in 2006, right?
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To be honest I am a bit confused as to way the Saints didn't take Alan Branch? Yes he may take some downs off, but a lot of those big guys do. I think he has Sean Gilbert type tools, and could have really taken some heat off their quick but undersized LB's in the middle of the field. Secondarily I am not real impressed with any Tennesee WR's coming out, not much production, and that goes back all the way to the Alvin Harper days.
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I thought Ross was a very solid pick for the Giants. I liked their draft in general. There are some OLine worries, but I think the CB situation warranted attention. There are a lot of position-flexible guys on the Giants roster, and I think they will do okay. It will be a weak spot for them early, but they should shore things up. After all, there's no way that they could possibly have more injuries in 2007 as they did in 2006, right?
you're right, i really dont think it's possible. of course it was key players, like if emmons, morton, whitfield(w/o luke hurt) and (wishful thinking) tim lewis got injured last year, it wouldve been a lot better.

also, i think the madden curse should be worn out on mcnabb now :)

(no offense, i still hate the eagles bsaza!!)
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Scotty, it must kill you to hate the Eagles so much, yet you have to simultaneously respect my football knowledge and logic. Takes some getting used to.
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ohh i respect your logic trust me. i mean in this conversation i havent randomly typed- EAGLES SUCK!! even though i really think that, i respect you enough not to type it :)
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Posluszny was the man I wanted when the Saints were on the clock. He would have been the type of linebacker that would have immediately impacted our defense, as well as providing the leadership that great defenses possess. Even though the Saints signed a leader in Brian Simmons this free agency, Puz would have immediately improved the middle linebacker position so that Simmons could have slid over to the weakside where he can make plays and move around. Another excellent choice would have been Greg Olsen who would have given the Saints the extra dimension to their offense which they did not have last season and have not had in a while.
Meachem, while he might have BPA, filled a slight need but not a pressing need like Puz or Olsen would have filled.
Olsen is not that big of an upgrade over a healthy Eric Johnson. I've already said how I felt about Poz.

Meachem wasn't just the BPA, he was the PBA by a large margin. It wasn't even close.

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To be honest I am a bit confused as to way the Saints didn't take Alan Branch? Yes he may take some downs off, but a lot of those big guys do. I think he has Sean Gilbert type tools, and could have really taken some heat off their quick but undersized LB's in the middle of the field. Secondarily I am not real impressed with any Tennesee WR's coming out, not much production, and that goes back all the way to the Alvin Harper days.
Character issues. I don't think he was even on the Saints draft board, at all. Meaning, they wouldn't even take Branch in the 7th round. A guy with character issues in the 1st is still a guy with character issues in the 7th.

It is true that people can change, Saints co. probably checked into this guy before the draft and didn't like what they saw.

Undersized LB'ers?

OLB, Scott Shanle: 6'2, 245lbs
MLB, Brian Simmons: 6'3, 240lbs
SLB, Scott Fujita: 6'5, 250lbs

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I could see Toonster writing an essay telling me that I am not here right now, typing this!

And I'd believe him!
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Toonster said on more than one occassion that the Bills would trade their 2nd round pick and their 08 1st round pick for Michael Turner, which was one of the worst things I've read on this site and I said as much each time. I enjoy reading his posts too, but I wouldn't treat them as gospel just yet.
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Eh, we all have made stupid predictions. I am still trying to forget my "Colts won't win the super bowl" argument.
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Not true. I loved Cutler last year as a QB and this year I loved Quinn. I think I might be the lone exception.
I loved Cutler. Really liked Quinn. Lukewarm on Leinart. Hated Russell.

Jay Cutler is nothing like JaMarcus Russell.
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