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Old 04-30-2007, 06:30 PM    (permalink
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While my short answer is dline, this question is like asking which foot would you rather have, your right foot or left foot?

Regardless of what your answer is, you still need both to walk.
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O-Line is more about cohesion as a unit. You can have great O-Line with talent, like the '03 Chiefs. But more likely you can have a very solid group with mid-range talent. Thus I take D-Line.
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I'll take offensive line, but it's pretty close.

Keep in mind that we do see a great defensive line match up against a great counterpart, they only have to succeed (measured in this case in sacks) about 4 or 5 time out of 60 snaps a game to have a great day.
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Ill take an offensive line because Im an offensive guy and they control the line of scrimmage. They truely make or break an offense, look at the Cardinals.
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although i'm a defense first guy, i would have to say that i'd rather have the dominant offensive line. They can control a game with the ground game, and give a QB enough time to make reads (hopefully any NFL QB can make the throws). they keep the defense off the field so that when they are on they are fresh, which should lead to a better defense. Plus, u'll put points on the board.

A nice D line is good, but it doesn't mean ur going to score any points to win, unless u assume the offense will get more chances. They can't control time of possession and wear out an opposing offense (well i guess they could, but would be more difficult).

I just think having the offensive line dominant gives u a better chance of success. love the grind it out football
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O line is what makes the passing AND the running game happen. yes the D Line can stop those, but in reality, why do you think that LB's and CB/S have more tackles on a team, cause the DLines gets worked and pushed, and blocked and its the 2nd teir that makes the stop 70+% of the time.

Good olines stop sacks, give rushing yards and short 2nd/3rd downs.
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Even a great defensive line is not enough if its secondary is weak. By contrast, a great offensive line really ensures that the offense has no holes. Offenses are shut down when they have to trim their playbook because they can't protect well or cant open up the right holes. Average skill players would still thrive given space to work with.
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interchange, an excellent DLine can help make average talent in the LB and secondary better because they stuff the run and allow the LB's to flow, and they help the CB's by pressuring the QB. Your analysis doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
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It has to be dominate OL. Because there is 5 of them at all times. DL theres sometimes 3 or 4 on the line which cant ever match up with 5 if there all tops at the position.
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It has to be dominate OL. Because there is 5 of them at all times. DL theres sometimes 3 or 4 on the line which cant ever match up with 5 if there all tops at the position.
The sheer number of players on the line shouldn't matter one iota. This is a question about how controlling the trenches is critically important. You are asked to choose between the two and comment on game philosophy, not the number of players. Are you also saying that LB's are less important to a defense than the DLine because there are 4 DLinemen and only 3 LB's in a 4-3 set?
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Interesting topic, I'd have to say D line. With an all star D line like that, they are going to shut down the run and pressure the QB so much that it will create lots of turnovers and set up your offense nicely.

With a great O line, your skill players can still screw it up, and it doesn't help your defense as much as the D line helps your O.

I'd cite the Panthers and Chiefs of 3 years ago. When the Panthers had Jenkins and Peppers and other great players on their line and before S Smith was great, they were still making the playoffs and beating great teams. However, the Chiefs had a great O line that could run over anyone but their D was swiss cheese and they lost a lot of games.
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Im not sure. I think personally that the OL is more dependent on coaching where as a good DL can happen without good coaching(Just look at the Vikes for a prime example).

I mean if you had that DL that is at the top of this thread, I cant see a team being able to handle it. I mean who do you give special attention to. Both lines function the same way, the rest of the offense/defense is going to have a hard time without a good line. A good pass rush helps the secondary greatly and frees the linebackers from blockers to make plays. Honestly, the 3 LB on that defense arent going to see a OL blocking them all year.

The OL does the same on offense, Chester Taylor looked good when he went left last year and looked awful going right. Basically a good OL can create a good back. All it takes is a guy with a little patience and he will look great behind a good line(See E. Smith, E. James, S. Alexander etc.). Having time to pass still wont help some QB's but most should do fine.

As for the actual question it gets back to the original comment. You can have talent at OL but if the coach doesnt get it right, it wont work. For another Vikes example, Childress managed to make Birk, Hutch and McKinnie look very average with all his flip flopping between line assignments. Using those maulers in ZBS made them look average. Whereas it didnt matter what he did with KWill and Fat Pat, they were still dominant. You really cant screw up a great DL unless you try and drop it into coverage and even then it can help at times.

So give me the defense, because the coach cant screw it up as easily.
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O line is what makes the passing AND the running game happen. yes the D Line can stop those, but in reality, why do you think that LB's and CB/S have more tackles on a team, cause the DLines gets worked and pushed, and blocked and its the 2nd teir that makes the stop 70+% of the time.

Good olines stop sacks, give rushing yards and short 2nd/3rd downs.
Making stops 7 yards down the field doesn't do much good. And having great DBs does nothing without a pass rush. Defense doesn't work without the DL.

I'd go with DL because it's easier to get by with mediocre talent on the OL because of the cohesion of the group. It's pretty much 51-49, but I'd lean DL.
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I'd say the D-line would win.

Still, I think the most important part of a football team is the O-line.

Why?

Well because without them the offense can't run or pass. That leaves the opposing team with great field position all game, your defense is tired and always having to play from behind.
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O-line, without a doubt. If you can control the clock, your defense will outplay theirs everytime. Defense is much more tiring, because you have to react. I would take the O-line every single time.
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i'm a defense dude.
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Gonna go with Defence on this one, just because O-lineman can succeed with less talent. ALthough it also depends on the system, in the cover 2 system the D-line is probably the most important part.
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I strongly disagree with the all-star lines you put together but since I am a defensive guy I think Id go with the defensive line. You put some playmakers behind that D-line, it could be flat out scary.

My all star DL would look like this though...

LE - Julius Peppers
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Tough call. Indy has a great O-line that keeps Manning from being hit, and they lose Edge and still have a solid run game. Steelers also had a very good O-line and Willie Parker ran them to a ring, but their defense was also hot. Ravens and Bucs won with a strong defense. If you don't have a good QB like Manning or Brady, then I'd go with a top defensive line. If you look at teams that have a top QB and have the line to protect him and let him work, they've been very successful.
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Dude your list of players sucks.

Anyway, I would take a dominant o-line over a dominant d-line anyday.
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I will say O-Line. If you have a dominant O-Line, the D-Line will get exhausted over the course of the game much faster than the O-Line will.
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My all star DL would look like this though...

LE - Julius Peppers
UT - Tommie Harris
NT - John Henderson
RE - Dwight Freeney
i voted for oline.... but that dline scares the hell out of me haha
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i'm going to say i'd like a dominant d-line... provided that my o-line is just a solid bunch of guys with good chemistry. I think that chemistry and cohesion between offensive linemen is probably more important than the sum of each individual's skills.

but a dominating d-line could be absolutely disruptive to the entire flow of the game so i'm definitely going with.
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