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Old 10-25-2006, 11:51 AM    (permalink
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Marty Brodeur is my favorite player ever. As a goalie He's my idol. However his career seems to be on a downswing. Me and my brother (who is thank god off this site) have had a talk on this. I say he is top 5, he says he isn't.

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Old 10-25-2006, 11:53 AM    (permalink
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is your bro off the site for good?
if so, why? banned? left?
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Old 10-25-2006, 11:54 AM    (permalink
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is your bro off the site for good?
if so, why? banned? left?
He left i think.
Stick to the question though.
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psub was suspended indefinately for coming back under a new username while he was suspended. If he wants back he can e-mail Scott, but if he doesn't he's gone for good.

And I'm not sure about the question. He is definatley, for sure, top 10. I think he's borderline top 5.
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My Top 5 in no order
1) Bernie Parent
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4) Bill Durnan ( 6 Time Vezina Trophy Winner)
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I'm biased since he has been my favorite goalie since as far back as I can remember. I say he is top 5, or very close.
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Old 10-25-2006, 12:01 PM    (permalink
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My Top 5 in no order
1) Bernie Parent
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3) Dominik Hasek
4) Bill Durnan ( 6 Time Vezina Trophy Winner)
5) Jacques Plante (6 Time Vezina Trophy winner)
I like this list but Hasek is perhaps the most overrated goalie ever IMO. He has awful awful awful form, and he was more lucky than good IMO. Its prolly just that i hate his style of play but i always thought he was overrated.
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He is no doubt a top 5 goalie of all time, he will end up 2nd on all time wins list.
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My Top 5 in no order
1) Bernie Parent
2) Patrick Roy
3) Dominik Hasek
4) Bill Durnan ( 6 Time Vezina Trophy Winner)
5) Jacques Plante (6 Time Vezina Trophy winner)
I like this list but Hasek is perhaps the most overrated goalie ever IMO. He has awful awful awful form, and he was more lucky than good IMO. Its prolly just that i hate his style of play but i always thought he was overrated.
Well I got to see him alot over the years playing against the Flyers and I mean if you dont like his style thats one thing but he has been a top goalie year after year.
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There have been so many greats to play...Terry Sawchuck, Jaques Plante, Ken Dryden, Tony Esposito, Patrick Roy, Brodeur, Hasek, Glenn Hall....so hard to pick a definative top five
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I'd rank Hasek over Broduer. I'm a Rangers fan, so I may be a little biased, but I am guessing I have seen more Devils games than most on this site. Broduer is easily more overrated than Hasek. It is no wonder that with the rule changes Broduer is on the downswing. He benefitted so many year by the Devils great defensive players and the nuetral zone trap. With the red line being gone and two line pass legal, and offense opening up in general, he isn't the goaltender he once was. Sure goals are going up in general, but that nuetral zone trap, which the Devils perfected, made him seem much much better than he is.

Broduer was still great but I don't think top 5 all time.
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Tretiak is top 5 also.

He never played in the NHL, but that's because the Soviet government didn't allow him to.
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Tretiak is top 5 also.

He never played in the NHL, but that's because the Soviet government didn't allow him to.
Tretiak is the best goalie to ever play. Its a shame he never went to the NHL.
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Tretiak is top 5 also.

He never played in the NHL, but that's because the Soviet government didn't allow him to.
Tretiak is the best goalie to ever play. Its a shame he never went to the NHL.
Well, I don't know if he's the best, but I do think he's one of the best all-time.

Also, when the best goalie lists are made, people have to keep in mind that guys like Broduer, Roy and Hasek played in a era where goallies wore - and still wear - A LOT more padding.

Goallies also wear helmets not, which wasn't always the case.

Tretiak acctually had a pretty serious face injury once, when he was still wearing just a plastic mask.
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Tretiak is top 5 also.

He never played in the NHL, but that's because the Soviet government didn't allow him to.
Tretiak is the best goalie to ever play. Its a shame he never went to the NHL.
Well, I don't know if he's the best, but I do think he's one of the best all-time.

Also, when the best goalie lists are made, people have to keep in mind that guys like Broduer, Roy and Hasek played in a era where goallies wore - and still wear - A LOT more padding.

Goallies also wear helmets not, which wasn't always the case.

Tretiak acctually had a pretty serious face injury once, when he was still wearing just a plastic mask.
Tretiak was an amazing goalie. definately the best goalie in the world during his time.

He wanted to come to the NHL to play, but the Russian goverment didnt let him go.

He actually coaches a goalie camp now that i went to a couple summers ago in Detroit Lakes, MN. Hes kinda crazy

To get back on topic, I am a Rangers fan and i dont like Brodeur because of this, but i do respect his talent and i do think that he is a top 5 goalie. He probably would have been my favorite goalie if he was on any other team.
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I was seriosuly just about to start a thread just like this, only based around Dominik Hasek.

Not liking his style is not a reason for tarnishing his status among great goalies. He pulled it off and revolutionized the way some goalies play. Of course he has been a total bltch over his career, but he is a damn good goaltender.
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5) Jacques Plante (6 Time Vezina Trophy winner)
Sawchuk? And obviously I'm a giant Brodeur fan, but I don't know if he's top 5. He's definitely top 7, and when his career is over in a few years he'll be considered.
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He is no doubt a top 5 goalie of all time, he will end up 2nd on all time wins list.
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Definatley top 5, I'd say either 3rd or 4th when he retires
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Tretiak is top 5 also.

He never played in the NHL, but that's because the Soviet government didn't allow him to.
Based on what I've read, I think Tretiak is overrated. Most people rate him based solely on the Summit Series. Yes, he was good in the Russian leagues, but they were inferior compared the the NHL (I'm not saying that they were bad, but as a whole, the talent level was much lower than in the NHL). Success in European leagues does not always translate to success in the NHL, which is obviously the premier hockey league in the world.

If you're going to say he's top 5 all-time based on an 8-game series and success in the Russian leagues, I could argue that Danny McManus is a one of the top QBs on all-time based on his success in the CFL.

He might be a top goalie, but certainly not top-10
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Tretiak is top 5 also.

He never played in the NHL, but that's because the Soviet government didn't allow him to.
Based on what I've read, I think Tretiak is overrated. Most people rate him based solely on the Summit Series. Yes, he was good in the Russian leagues, but they were inferior compared the the NHL (I'm not saying that they were bad, but as a whole, the talent level was much lower than in the NHL). Success in European leagues does not always translate to success in the NHL, which is obviously the premier hockey league in the world.

If you're going to say he's top 5 all-time based on an 8-game series and success in the Russian leagues, I could argue that Danny McManus is a one of the top QBs on all-time based on his success in the CFL.

He might be a top goalie, but certainly not top-10
His domincance in the Olympics, which was against the best players in the world, makes him top five. Not to mention the Soviets destroyed the NHL all-stars that year in an exhibition game. He may have never played in the NHL, but he was absolutely a top five goalie
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Tretiak is top 5 also.

He never played in the NHL, but that's because the Soviet government didn't allow him to.
Based on what I've read, I think Tretiak is overrated. Most people rate him based solely on the Summit Series. Yes, he was good in the Russian leagues, but they were inferior compared the the NHL (I'm not saying that they were bad, but as a whole, the talent level was much lower than in the NHL). Success in European leagues does not always translate to success in the NHL, which is obviously the premier hockey league in the world.

If you're going to say he's top 5 all-time based on an 8-game series and success in the Russian leagues, I could argue that Danny McManus is a one of the top QBs on all-time based on his success in the CFL.

He might be a top goalie, but certainly not top-10
His domincance in the Olympics, which was against the best players in the world, makes him top five. Not to mention the Soviets destroyed the NHL all-stars that year in an exhibition game. He may have never played in the NHL, but he was absolutely a top five goalie
But he lost to a bunch of U.S. college players. :)
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Tretiak is top 5 also.

He never played in the NHL, but that's because the Soviet government didn't allow him to.
Based on what I've read, I think Tretiak is overrated. Most people rate him based solely on the Summit Series. Yes, he was good in the Russian leagues, but they were inferior compared the the NHL (I'm not saying that they were bad, but as a whole, the talent level was much lower than in the NHL). Success in European leagues does not always translate to success in the NHL, which is obviously the premier hockey league in the world.

If you're going to say he's top 5 all-time based on an 8-game series and success in the Russian leagues, I could argue that Danny McManus is a one of the top QBs on all-time based on his success in the CFL.

He might be a top goalie, but certainly not top-10
His domincance in the Olympics, which was against the best players in the world, makes him top five. Not to mention the Soviets destroyed the NHL all-stars that year in an exhibition game. He may have never played in the NHL, but he was absolutely a top five goalie
But he lost to a bunch of U.S. college players. :)
Techncally he did not lose...He allowed two goals after one period... then was taken out, which I still question why he was. But the game was tied after one. He is not credit with the loss. Michlin(sp?) gets the loss, so no, he did not lose to a bunch of college kids...in fact, if he stayed in, I think the U.S. may have ended up losing the game...thank god though he was taken out
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I'm a massive Brodeur homer, so I say he's number 1. I just like him so much. After removing my homerism, I'd say he's most likely top 5, he's getting up in years which could have something to do with a "downswing" but keep in mind, he's 1 season removed from back to back Vezinas, and last year won 40 games. He has amazing stamina, and is always near the top of the league in starts. And of course, he's got a shot at the most wins ever for a goalie. And for those of you saying he looked better cuz of the D, he made the D look awful good too, he made so many HUGE saves, especially in the playoffs, when it counts. I think the Ottawa Senators would have a Stanley Cup if not for Brodeur, he came up HUGE in game seven.
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Tretiak is top 5 also.

He never played in the NHL, but that's because the Soviet government didn't allow him to.
Based on what I've read, I think Tretiak is overrated. Most people rate him based solely on the Summit Series. Yes, he was good in the Russian leagues, but they were inferior compared the the NHL (I'm not saying that they were bad, but as a whole, the talent level was much lower than in the NHL). Success in European leagues does not always translate to success in the NHL, which is obviously the premier hockey league in the world.

If you're going to say he's top 5 all-time based on an 8-game series and success in the Russian leagues, I could argue that Danny McManus is a one of the top QBs on all-time based on his success in the CFL.

He might be a top goalie, but certainly not top-10
His domincance in the Olympics, which was against the best players in the world, makes him top five. Not to mention the Soviets destroyed the NHL all-stars that year in an exhibition game. He may have never played in the NHL, but he was absolutely a top five goalie
But he lost to a bunch of U.S. college players. :)
Techncally he did not lose...He allowed two goals after one period... then was taken out, which I still question why he was. But the game was tied after one. He is not credit with the loss. Michlin(sp?) gets the loss, so no, he did not lose to a bunch of college kids...in fact, if he stayed in, I think the U.S. may have ended up losing the game...thank god though he was taken out
ya i think so too. i dont think that Tretiak would have let in a couple of the goals that Myshkin let in. its tough to say.

i wasnt alive during the game, but i still to this day dont know why they took him out. but i guess it worked out for us huh.
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