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Old 05-01-2007, 10:44 AM    (permalink
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I think the vikings had the best draft, they got 5 potential starters

I think miami pulled 5 players that will be starting for the team next year at one point or another:
Ginn KR/PR/WR
Beck QB (by the end of they year)
Satale C/G
Booker RB/KR/PR - for 3rd down back
Soliati NT - Traylor will get injured at some point
Reagan Mauia FB - Will be starting guy is a monster in size (he ran through a wall!)
And a we got a kicker whom will start

Pretty much every draft need but a safety was answered in the draft. They got multiple starters and upgraded the team speed.

I would of prefered a franchise left tackle but Hudson houck, whom is forgot more about football and the oline specially then all of us on this board know combined, believes he is a franchise left tackle then so be it.

Wouldnt give us an A but wouldnt be against a B for the dolphins if people look past the quinn/beck/ginn part and look to the draft as a whole we did get a lot of needs filled and potential impact guys.
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I suppose I agree with the Bengals. I'm guessing they didn't include Ahmad's pick in there which does make the draft look worse.

I personally loved our draft (unlike last year), it was just unfortunate that they had the big run on defenders before our 2nd rounder but I'm pleased with adding Irons.
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once again the colts get abused in by the draft 'experts' and once agian i expect the colts to have one of the highest rates of draft picks making the 52 and contributing. honestly these thigns need to be ignored because they are heavily skewed towards teams picking at the top of the draft and those that make the flashy picks while teams that pick players that suite their system get the poorer grades. seriously the late flashy picks are there for a reason, these GM's know what they are doing and more often then not the players that fall heavily usually dont turn out

These are exactly my thoughts about the Chargers drafts every year. It's funny how teams like the Colts and Chargers always get ragged by "experts" because they "reach" for players, but those players end up being extremely good pro's. They need to realize that good GM's draft boards are not the same as Mel Kiper's, and that the good GM's and not Kiper are right. Ridiculous.
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True. If Mel Kiper was really that good at what he did, he'd be working for an NFL team, not doing broadcast work for ESPN.
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True. If Mel Kiper was really that good at what he did, he'd be working for an NFL team, not doing broadcast work for ESPN.
He's makin' a whole lot more cash doing the ESPN gig...

I do agree though, he's no god of scouting that's for sure.
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True. If Mel Kiper was really that good at what he did, he'd be working for an NFL team, not doing broadcast work for ESPN.
Yep, and the thing that the general public need to realize is that all these draft experts play off each other. No one guy is gonna stray too far from what Kiper says, because what Kiper says people take as general knowledge, and people will think they're ridiculous. GM's simply don't have the same way of valueing picks as Mel Kiper and the rest of the experts, and the GM's that just listen to what Kiper and the experts are saying don't do well. Also, each team's board is vastly different because of their system, their needs, and their style of play, and these generalized value charts are stupid, because each player has a different value to each NFL team, because they each have different needs and systems. The Chargers and Colts draft their type of players, so when they are criticized for "reaching" for Davis and Gonzalez respectively I tend to think that the Chargers and Colts are correct, and not some "expert". I think each of those receivers fit just PERFECTLY into each system and will be really productive, so who cares where they picked them? It's stupid.
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He's makin' a whole lot more cash doing the ESPN gig...

I do agree though, he's no god of scouting that's for sure.
I almost guarantee he isn't making more money than an NFL GM.
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I will say that Mel Kiper is excellent at evaluating and projecting talent in the NFL draft. He is horrendous at finding out information from teams, evaluating their needs, and plugging in the player that best fits those needs at that pick. The fact that he cannot make the leap from talent evaluation to team building is the major reason why he's a media guy and not a football professional.
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NFL GM's have more legitimate prestige and get paid better money than a part time ESPN draft expert. He might come close to making as much as a GM between his book sales, share of the ESPN Insider revenues, speaking appearances, etc., but the dream for all scouts should be the GM job. If that's not your goal, you shouldn't be in that business.
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That's dumb Redskins were not worse, sure we should get graded bad for not having our picks, but the picks we did have were all excellent. LaRon Landry in the first, Dallas Sartz in the 5th, HB Blades in the 6th, and Jordan Palmer in the 5th.
What is up with your love for Landry on that team? You had both Anderson and Okoye on the board, yet you chose to go with a safety in the mold of Sean Taylor, that makes no sense at all. LaRon is a very talented play but he's not a good fit on that team.

You failed to address your DL and that's going to kill you this season.
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NFL GM's have more legitimate prestige and get paid better money than a part time ESPN draft expert. He might come close to making as much as a GM between his book sales, share of the ESPN Insider revenues, speaking appearances, etc., but the dream for all scouts should be the GM job. If that's not your goal, you shouldn't be in that business.
You can get more by being a TV commentator. Mel Kiper is not a part timer, between EPSN radio and his travels, and scouting trips, he is a full timer.

A TV foof get paid big bucks, gets groupies (has to be NFL draft groupies around), no front office politics, no worring about the salary cap. No dealing with arrested players.
What's not to love about it.
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You can get more by being a TV commentator. Mel Kiper is not a part timer, between EPSN radio and his travels, and scouting trips, he is a full timer.

A TV foof get paid big bucks, gets groupies (has to be NFL draft groupies around), no front office politics, no worring about the salary cap. No dealing with arrested players.
What's not to love about it.
NFL draft groupies are probably the ugliest women in the world.......
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How on earth did the Sporting News give the Dolphins an A+? Am I missing something here?
South Beach has the best hookers around. The Sporting News didn't want to get them upset.
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No that would be heavy metal groupies. Unless you like your women masculine.
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No that would be heavy metal groupies. Unless you like your women masculine.
some rock groupies are pretty hot. Theyre skeezers, but you'll find a hot one here and there.

I don't think a hot draft junky woman exists on earth.
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What is up with your love for Landry on that team? You had both Anderson and Okoye on the board, yet you chose to go with a safety in the mold of Sean Taylor, that makes no sense at all. LaRon is a very talented play but he's not a good fit on that team.

You failed to address your DL and that's going to kill you this season.
First off DT is hardly the need people make it out to be, a DE opposite of Carter would have been nice but Anderson is no slam dunk pick, we took a player who will be a staple on the team for 10+ years, the front office has already said that they are currently working on trades for veteran DE's, and safety was just about as big of a need as DE, Phillip Daniels starting isn't as awful as Vernon Fox starting at safety, who granted is great on special teams and outplayed Archuleta, but he is still a minimum contract guy who has little experience.
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Well, if the Skins had just kept Ryan Clark for $2.5mm a year, most of these issues would be moot now. Let's not forget that huge mistake.
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Laron Landy and Sean Taylor are both in the box safeties, that is problematic for them.
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Well, if the Skins had just kept Ryan Clark for $2.5mm a year, most of these issues would be moot now. Let's not forget that huge mistake.
Or letting Pierce go because of a little bit of money but then giving big contracts to Archuleta amongst others.
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I wish these rankings took into account what teams gained and lost in next years draft. Dallas picking up Cleveland's 2008 first rounder has to be worth something. I felt that Carolina had one of if not the best draft when you consider that they picked up a 1st round pick in next years draft.
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Did Carolina get an extra #1, or was it New England + Dallas that got the extras?
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Pete Prisco and Charlie Robinson can shove it.
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