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Old 05-02-2007, 07:36 PM    (permalink
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Would I be crazy to think Atlanta will be considered up there, this time next year?
No.

The lack of Jason Webster out there is addition by subtraction. He might have been worse than Tory James was last year.
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Baltimore, because I mean just look at the starters

Chris Mcalsiter : Top 3 CB in the NFL

Ed Reed: Best Safety in the NFL

Dawan Landry: Up & Coming Starter who is going to be a Future Pro-Bowler

Samari Rolle: He might be the weak link in the group, but he still has skills, and besides once he's gone, we still have David Pittman (3rd Round Pick Last Year, who I'm really high on)
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You guys are crazy, Baltimores DB's are so overrated its not even funny. Ed Reed sucks hes not even top 10 safety in the league.
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You guys are crazy, Baltimores DB's are so overrated its not even funny. Ed Reed sucks hes not even top 10 safety in the league.
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also, denver has zero business in a best secondary conversation. john lynch is great in run support, but awful in pass defense, and nick ferguson could be replaced by a second grader with no discernable loss in production.
now thats a very honest assesment of denver. people really rank that group so high mainly because of how good champ is. while i think champ is flat out amazing, the safeties are lacking in pass coverage. im a big fan of lynch but run support is his strong suit.

while i am a baltimore fan, so i might be a bit of a homer, i think that baltimore is the best group as a whole. CMac and Ed Reed are both atleast in the top three for their respective positions and Dawan Landry and Rolle are both solid players. I really think that they also benifit greatly from a strong pass rush and a great defensive scheme(creates the pass rush).
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Panthers have the best corner back trio, we just need a decent safety
Lucas/Marshall/Gamble over Vasher/Tillman/Manning Jr? No thanks.
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I still think Denver's combo of Bailey/Bly/Foxworth beat out the Panthers.
Bailey and Bly are probably equal to Gamble and Lucas for the reason that Lucas and gamble are both better than Bly but bailey is the best of all. As for Nickels, Foxworth is good, very good. But Richard Marshall has no weaknesses in his game. He's a complete corner and excelled even as a rookie to be a top flight corner when asked to compete. Imagine how good he can be a year from now.
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You guys are crazy, Baltimores DB's are so overrated its not even funny. Ed Reed sucks hes not even top 10 safety in the league.
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are you kidding? it wouldn't even be a discussion? wow. i hope someone else already made you regret saying that.
nope. but please, feel free.
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Would I be crazy to think Atlanta will be considered up there, this time next year?
I would say so, personally. A lot would have to happen for that to be the case.
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For the sake of argument, how about Jacksonville?

If Reggie Nelson's learning curve is small, their secondary could be really special.

Rashean Mathis is a top-3 corner in the league (My opinion, also the opinion of many others), and Brian Williams is one of the best #2s around. Gerald Sensabaugh is a really athletic safety who can play in the box and can also be the ballhawk, and Nelson can potentially develop into an Ed Reed-esque player.

3 of the guys in this secondary can make the big play if given the smallest chance, and the other--- Williams--- is a tried and true cover corner and solid physical defender.
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For the sake of argument, how about Jacksonville?

If Reggie Nelson's learning curve is small, their secondary could be really special.

Rashean Mathis is a top-3 corner in the league (My opinion, also the opinion of many others), and Brian Williams is one of the best #2s around. Gerald Sensabaugh is a really athletic safety who can play in the box and can also be the ballhawk, and Nelson can potentially develop into an Ed Reed-esque player.

3 of the guys in this secondary can make the big play if given the smallest chance, and the other--- Williams--- is a tried and true cover corner and solid physical defender.
Brian Williams is one of the best #2's around? According to who? Dude wouldn't even start for half the teams in the league.

Your safties consist of a decent player and a rookie.

Jacksonville is good based on Mathis alone, maybe top 10, but come on...
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Champ Bailey alone makes Denver the best, add Dre Bly, Domonique Foxworth & John Lynch(even if he isnt that good anymore)

& the Pat's secondary is kinda underated, Samuels, Harrison, Meriweather, James
D-Backs, not D-Bags, the Pats shouldn't be in this discussion. Asante Samuel is underrated, Harrison isn't the player he once was and can't stay healthy, Meriweather will probably be good, Tory James is flat out awful, I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't start next season.

Baltimore and Oakland for me. I expect Huff to become more of a playmaker this season, and Schweigert is underrated. I'd put Baltimore on top by a fair margin, with Oakland second.

I also really like Jacksonville I'm not putting them up at the top yet because we don't know how Reggie Nelson will play, but if he does as well as expected, Jacksonville will be in the discussion.
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6.Titans (if they had Pacman)
Not a fan of Scrabble, Fabio, Huff and the rest of the crew I see.
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I'm constantly amazed at the Patriots' refusal to infuse their secondary and linebacking core with young talent via the Draft. Maybe Belichick only has 2007 on his mind, but Pioli should be thinking long-term at least.
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You guys are crazy, Baltimores DB's are so overrated its not even funny. Ed Reed sucks hes not even top 10 safety in the league.
Finally someone in this thread with some sense. Change out Baltimore with Denver and repeat yourself and I'll nominate you for "Toonster of the Year" award.
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For the sake of argument, how about Jacksonville?

If Reggie Nelson's learning curve is small, their secondary could be really special.

Rashean Mathis is a top-3 corner in the league (My opinion, also the opinion of many others), and Brian Williams is one of the best #2s around. Gerald Sensabaugh is a really athletic safety who can play in the box and can also be the ballhawk, and Nelson can potentially develop into an Ed Reed-esque player.

3 of the guys in this secondary can make the big play if given the smallest chance, and the other--- Williams--- is a tried and true cover corner and solid physical defender.
The Broncos, Eagles, Panthers, Bears, Cowboys, Packers, and Raiders all have better #2's. I like the Jags too, but saying Williams is one of the best #2's around is just incorrect.
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I think Belichick is confident in his ability to run a plug-n-play defense in the back 8. Whether he is justified in that or not is a different discussion, but it's just a thought.
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Just think if the Steelers could get some grade A talent around Polamalu then I could even bring them up in a discussion like this but with Mcfadden , Taylor , hopefully Smith taking over the other safety spot I wouldnt be able to say that with a straight face.
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Something I've been wondering for some time: how seriously are the Steelers going to try signing Polamalu to an extension, given his extensive and troubling history of concussions?

I like Anthony Smith though, he has promise.
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I'm one of the few Raider fans who like Schweigert..

anyways.. I'll say Baltimore..
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Just think if the Steelers could get some grade A talent around Polamalu then I could even bring them up in a discussion like this but with Mcfadden , Taylor , hopefully Smith taking over the other safety spot I wouldnt be able to say that with a straight face.
Well, I think Anthony Smith is a real start to that. I was one of his biggest fans last year.
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yay
great to see that peopel think the ravens have the best Dbacks in the league

i hope to see samari recover from last years poor year
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The Broncos, Eagles, Panthers, Bears, Cowboys, Packers, and Raiders all have better #2's. I like the Jags too, but saying Williams is one of the best #2's around is just incorrect.
Ok, Williams is one of the best #2s in the AFC.

He might be better then Bly soon enough, considering Bly's career year was in 2003 and 2006 was his first full, particularly good season since.
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LOL

Mid-season form jab there, njx.
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