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Old 05-02-2007, 11:44 AM    (permalink
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He'd be a perfect fit in Green Bay when Favre retires. I'll take a top 5 QB.
Theres this guy named Aaron Rodgers
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It depends on how he does this year, in my opinion. To say anything right now smacks of overreaction.
Agreed.

If McNabb simply stays healthy this year I really doubt he's gone.
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Theres this guy named Aaron Rodgers
Who still hasn't played a meaningful down. I'll take the elite quarterback over the unproven quarterback, if he was so good, the front office wouldn't be as eager for Favre to return.
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He would be fun down here in south florida. McNabb to Ginn and Chambers? Ronnie out of the backfield and the booker kid was compared often to westbrook in college
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If he gets hurt again...then he will be gone.
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If the Eagles cut one of the top three quarterbacks in the game in order to have a Houston quarterback be the starter I will seriously think Matt Millen is their GM.
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If the Eagles cut one of the top three quarterbacks in the game in order to have a Houston quarterback be the starter I will seriously think Matt Millen is their GM.
McNabb isn't a top 3 QB. Top 3 are Manning/Brady, then Carson Palmer.

Once a player makes the pros, it doesn't matter where they went to school. Some of the greatest players in NFL history went to small schools. Some of the biggest busts in history came from big time programs. You make no competent point here.
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McNabb isn't a top 3 QB. Top 3 are Manning/Brady, then Carson Palmer.

Once a player makes the pros, it doesn't matter where they went to school. Some of the greatest players in NFL history went to small schools. Some of the biggest busts in history came from big time programs. You make no competent point here.
Once Palmer leads a team to four straight NFC Championship games then you can come back to me.

You don't make a good point either. Every single Houston quarterback has been an absolute failure in the NFL. That doesn't make you think for a second that Kolb will suck?
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Coming from a Giants fan....


NEVER question Andy Reid's drafts. The man knows what he's doing. I think him and Bill Parcells were the best drafting HCs in the league.
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NEVER question Andy Reid's drafts. The man knows what he's doing. I think him and Bill Parcells were the best drafting HCs in the league.
Freddie Mitchell over Chad Johnson.
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Freddie Mitchell over Chad Johnson.
4 NFC championships plus 1 SB appearance.


Case closed. How many AFC championships did Cinncy go to in the same time span?
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NEVER question Andy Reid's drafts. The man knows what he's doing. I think him and Bill Parcells were the best drafting HCs in the league.
nah. He's overrated.
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4 NFC championships plus 1 SB appearance.


Case closed. How many AFC championships did Cinncy go to in the same time span?
You really think Freddie Mitchell is a better receiver than Ocho Cinco? If 85 had the Philly defense with him in Cincy then there's no telling how many AFC championships they would have gotten to.
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You really think Freddie Mitchell is a better receiver than Ocho Cinco? If 85 had the Philly defense with him in Cincy then there's no telling how many AFC championships they would have gotten to.
But youre killing Reid for one player, when overall, he's built an amazing team. He drafted that Philly defense youre referring to.

I don't question his drafting because his drafting style has gotten him a consistent winner year in and year out. Not many teams can say the same thing.
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Once Palmer leads a team to four straight NFC Championship games then you can come back to me.

You don't make a good point either. Every single Houston quarterback has been an absolute failure in the NFL. That doesn't make you think for a second that Kolb will suck?
I'm an Eagles fan, and I'm telling you that Palmer is a better QB right now than Donovan McNabb. No homerism at all. By your logic, Kurt Warner is a better QB than McNabb, Palmer, and everyone else in the league other than Tom Brady and Favre because he won a Super Bowl and appeared in a second Super Bowl the next year. McNabb's huge run in the playoffs occurred from 2000-2004. That run ended 3 seasons ago. Since that time, he has played in 19 total regular season games and 0 playoff games. He hasn't stayed healthy recently, so he shouldn't be considered a top 3 QB. You can make a top 5 argument, but even that is suspect.

How did I not make a good point? A small sampling of Football Greats:

Mike Singletary, Baylor
Walter Payton, Jackson St.
Jack Lambert, Kent St.
Art Shell, Maryland Eastern Shore
Deacon Jones, Mississippi Vocational
Joe Greene, North Texas St.
Steve Largent, Tulsa
Warren Moon, West Los Angeles Junior College

"Every single Houston QB has been an absolute failure in the NFL..." Completely irrelevant point. There have been 3 QB's from Houston taken in the draft in the last 17 years: David Klingler, Andre Ware, and Chuck Clements. Clements never made a roster, and Klingler and Ware busted. Concerning? Sure. I am worried that the team made a big mistake by taking Kolb that early and deciding to call him a project for the future. Is this empirical evidence that Kevin Kolb will suck? Absolutely not. There is no relation between Kolb and these 3 other QB's. They are not the same person, they are not in the same situation, and they do not have the same skills, coaches, offensive system, teammates, etc. Also, 3 QB's in 17 years is not indicative of any sort of trend or rule.

In other words, don't mess with the big dogs. Bow your head in shame.
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But youre killing Reid for one player, when overall, he's built an amazing team. He drafted that Philly defense youre referring to.

I don't question his drafting because his drafting style has gotten him a consistent winner year in and year out. Not many teams can say the same thing.
All he does is draft O-Linemen that fall, and defensive players. He hasnt drafted an offensive skill position player whos good besides Westbrook and Mcnabb.
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Let's not kid ourselves folks, if McNabb is cut he's coming home to Chicago unless Grossman unexpectedly excells this year. He's talked about growing up wanting to play for the Bears, our team is a Superbowl contendor, and our QB is on a one year contract.

Not to mention that Angelo said last year if he had the #1 pick he'd have taken Vince Young.
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All he does is draft O-Linemen that fall, and defensive players. He hasnt drafted an offensive skill position player whos good besides Westbrook and Mcnabb.
And look at the results.


Ive said it before, and I'll say it a million times over. SKILL POSITION PLAYERS ARE OVERRATED.

ESPECIALLY WIDE RECEIVERS.
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All he does is draft O-Linemen that fall, and defensive players. He hasnt drafted an offensive skill position player whos good besides Westbrook and Mcnabb.
Um... LJ Smith, Reggie Brown, Correll Buckhalter, AJ Feeley. He's filled in the rest with carryovers (Chad Lewis, Deuce Staley) and FA signings/trades (John Ritchie, TO, Kevin Curtis, Stallworth, James Thrash).

Lots of what the Eagles do is about system, and many of their skill players do not have traditional big play skills. However, between the excellent OLine, the play of McNabb, and spectacular coaching, the Eagles have been consistently good for most of the last 8 seasons. They have 6 of the last 7 division titles.
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You know, it's funny. The user names keep changing, but their arguments and points are just as stupid. Regardless, it's a ton of fun to own these ignoramii.
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I'm an Eagles fan, and I'm telling you that Palmer is a better QB right now than Donovan McNabb. No homerism at all. By your logic, Kurt Warner is a better QB than McNabb, Palmer, and everyone else in the league other than Tom Brady and Favre because he won a Super Bowl and appeared in a second Super Bowl the next year. McNabb's huge run in the playoffs occurred from 2000-2004. That run ended 3 seasons ago. Since that time, he has played in 19 total regular season games and 0 playoff games. He hasn't stayed healthy recently, so he shouldn't be considered a top 3 QB. You can make a top 5 argument, but even that is suspect.
Go look at my previous posts. I do believe the rings and wins arguement is overrated but to get a conference championship game four years in a row is extremely impressive. McNabb when he's healthy is one of the top three in the game. You want to argue that?

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Mike Singletary, Baylor
Walter Payton, Jackson St.
Jack Lambert, Kent St.
Art Shell, Maryland Eastern Shore
Deacon Jones, Mississippi Vocational
Joe Greene, North Texas St.
Steve Largent, Tulsa
OJ Simpson, City College of San Francisco
Warren Moon, West Los Angeles Junior College
When I did I bash all small school players? I'm talking about Houston quarterbacks.

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"Every single Houston QB has been an absolute failure in the NFL..." Completely irrelevant point. There have been 3 QB's from Houston taken in the draft in the last 17 years: David Klingler, Andre Ware, and Chuck Clements. Clements never made a roster, and Klingler and Ware busted. Concerning? Sure. I am worried that the team made a big mistake by taking Kolb that early and deciding to call him a project for the future. Is this empirical evidence that Kevin Kolb will suck? Absolutely not. There is no relation between Kolb and these 3 other QB's. They are not the same person, they are not in the same situation, and they do not have the same skills, coaches, offensive system, teammates, etc. Also, 3 QB's in 17 years is not indicative of any sort of trend or rule.
Did I say Kolb would suck without a doubt? No, I didn't. It makes me raise an eyebrow that any team would consider starting a quarterback from a school that gave us David Klingler and Andre Ware. Let alone drafting one with your first pick in the draft.

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What the **** does that have to do with anything?
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But youre killing Reid for one player, when overall, he's built an amazing team. He drafted that Philly defense youre referring to.

I don't question his drafting because his drafting style has gotten him a consistent winner year in and year out. Not many teams can say the same thing.
I'm not killing him for one player but that's a pretty big screw up draft wise. I do agree that he's one of the best drafting coaches in the league though.
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Um... LJ Smith, Reggie Brown, Correll Buckhalter, AJ Feeley. He's filled in the rest with carryovers (Chad Lewis, Deuce Staley) and FA signings/trades (John Ritchie, TO, Kevin Curtis, Stallworth, James Thrash).

Lots of what the Eagles do is about system, and many of their skill players do not have traditional big play skills. However, between the excellent OLine, the play of McNabb, and spectacular coaching, the Eagles have been consistently good for most of the last 8 seasons. They have 6 of the last 7 division titles.
those guys are all pretty mediocre for the most part.

And the Eagles havent been good enough. when it comes down to the big situation, they fail to come through.
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those guys are all pretty mediocre for the most part.

And the Eagles havent been good enough. when it comes down to the big situation, they fail to come through.
A Giants fan bashing the Eagles without any logic? I didn't see that coming.
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