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Old 05-07-2007, 01:04 PM    (permalink
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Nothing beats the good old fashioned eyeball evaluation. To me, thats the only one that matters.

Especially in this sport.

This is only the beginning. Just wait until KC Joyner comes out with his stupid metrics analysis of this past season. Everyone is gonna analyze it to death when it really is a flawed approach to begin with.

Im giddy with excitement for those threads. >:-(
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Much of what Joyner does in relation to OLine play is valuable. He looks at whole unit work on running plays and doesn't have a metric to really measure pass blocking effectiveness. He also combines a lot of his OLine metrics to the RB skills. I recall he did a lot of work with the Arizona OLine and Edgerrin James. Again, Joyner and other statisticians have some value in terms of tendencies and specific successes, but I agree that watching tape is the easiest and best way to evaluate actual quality.
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The only metric I really, really like is Football Outsiders' RB "success rate."
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Old 05-07-2007, 04:01 PM    (permalink
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meh, metrics aren't that bad bbd. i mean, bear in mind that, when used in a balanced approach to player evaluation, they can be really nice ways to describe certain tendencies. although if you're looking squarely at people who use ONLY metrics, then sure. but i'd argue that people who use a single source of evidence for any argument are typically biased or mis-informed in some way.
I don't really have a problem with the metrics themselves, because they do offer some sort of insight at the end of the day, albeit flawed insight. What I have a problem with is the consequences of the metrics.

Homers/people with agenda's use metrics as an instrument to spew their nonsense all offseason, and it gets irritating.

Metrics threads just wind up being one large homerfest. Thats why they annoy me so much.
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I personally think metrics apply best in evaluating CB coverage/tackling ability, pass rush effectiveness, and run-game effectiveness on the types of plays and playcalls. I also like the QB error statistical analyses. These are the reliable statistical models that I think have a decent application to overall football insight. They have some value, but as people have said, they should be used in tandem with actual game-tape and other scouting. These statistics cannot stand on their own as legitimate evidence of actual player ability.
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Good too see Tampa Bay rank pretty highly in the rankings ;)
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Not bad, except the Eagles offensive line is certainly better at pass protection than the Titans
Well, the fact that our QB is harder than hell to sack may have something to do with it, but the Titans O-Line has improved vastly over this past season. They're also quite young too, aside from Kevin Mawae and Benji Olsen. I'm more-so suprised by them being ranked as 27th in the running game, since we were in the top 5 I believe in run offense last year, and had a 1,200+ yard rusher who averaged 4.5 YPC. Plus, Young ran for 500+ yards with a 6.7 YPC avg, but I dunno if they factored in QBs. Oh well.
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maybe i'm just jaded but don't ALL conversations on this site eventually turn into big homer fests?
I don't know what you're talking about.

Anyways, the Packers are the best team EVER! Or Evah, if you're in the New England area.

Also, Korey Hall is gonna SOOO turn around the team now that he's been moved from ILB to FB. I smell 2500 yards rushing!
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