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Old 04-30-2007, 11:38 AM    (permalink
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Apparently we were asking for a 1st rounder for Jenkins.

The Rams offered us a 2nd rounder and a day 2 pick which we rejected.
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Old 04-30-2007, 11:39 AM    (permalink
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ugh...as much as I hate that we didn't get a starting safety in this draft, I get the strong this may turn out to be the best draft the Panthers have ever had. This may sound desperate, but I say we should put Chris Gamble at free safety.
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Tim Shaw really looks like a steal. He had to be moved to defensive end last season by Penn State, a position he really wasn't built for, and he responded with 44 tackles, eight tackles-for-a-loss, and seven sacks. He also scored 131 touchdowns as a high school runningback. Really seems like a defensive utility player and Carolina should give him every possible opportunity to get on the field.

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Ryan Kalil - #65
Ryne Robinson - #10
Dante Rosario - #88
Tim Shaw - #49
C.J. Wilson - #27
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Old 04-30-2007, 11:54 AM    (permalink
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ugh...as much as I hate that we didn't get a starting safety in this draft, I get the strong this may turn out to be the best draft the Panthers have ever had. This may sound desperate, but I say we should put Chris Gamble at free safety.
I had actually wondered if that wasn't a possibility if Marshall surpasses him for the starting job at corner opposite Lucas.
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I would support a move to put Chris Gamble to safety. Richard Marshall certainly doesn't deserve to start the season on the bench after his play last year.
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Old 04-30-2007, 11:58 AM    (permalink
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Richard Marshall certainly doesn't deserve to start the season on the bench after his play last year.
Agreed! He made some typical rookie mistakes but all in all played better than Gamble this past year.
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Marshall was our best corner last year, so I hope he'll start. Chris Gamble is a ballhawk so he'll be a good center fielder. If Nate Salley can develop that would be wonderful, but Mike can still play SS for another year. When he was the SS in his prime, he was always knocking people's heads off.

BTW, anybody remember that MNF hit Minter put on Antonio Freeman? I'll quote Al Michaels: "A fast ball from Favre, and a homerun by Mike Minter." :)
If anybody has that clip, please throw it up on youtube.
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I had actually wondered if that wasn't a possibility if Marshall surpasses him for the starting job at corner opposite Lucas.
LDE: Julius Peppers
DT: Maake Kemoeatu
DT: Kris Jenkins
RDE: Mike Rucker/Charles Johnson
WLB: Jon Beason
MLB: Dan Morgan
SLB: Thomas Davis
LCB: Ken Lucas
RCB: Richard Marshall
SS: Mike Minter/Nate Salley
FS: Chris Gamble

I would have absolutely no problem with that lineup
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I wouldn't either. Would easily be the best starting defense we've ever had...on paper.
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I wouldn't either. Would easily be the best starting defense we've ever had...on paper.
ak no! not the "on paper" arguement again!
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I suppose Deke Cooper shouldn't be counted out as well at safety. He played in ten games for John Fox in his first season with the Panthers back in '02. Started twelve games for the Jacksonville Jaguars back in '05 and played in all sixteen games. Front office may feel comfortable with him at safety and perhaps we'll look for Mike Minter's replacement in next year's draft.
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Old 04-30-2007, 03:07 PM    (permalink
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Those 10 games he played in 02 for us were mostly on special teams.
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Oh, didn't realize that.

I suppose the secondary isn't much of an issue in our defense. We went to the Super Bowl with Deon Grant and Reggie Howard as two of our top four defensivebacks. As long as our defensive line can get constant pressure on the quarterback and our linebackers are allowed to roam free, Fox probably couldn't care less who was behind them.

Fox can say that the draft played out in a way that there weren't any valuable safeties at their picks, but I feel that is complete crap. If he really felt we needed a safety, we would have reached for one. We really needed a return specialist, so we reached for Ryne Robinson in the fourth round. John Wendling would have been just as acceptable of a pick in that round.

As much as I liked our draft, the fact that we didn't atleast grab one of the safeties who dropped upsets me.
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I don't like the idea of moving a corner to safety because after Marshall/Lucas/Gamble (a damn fine trio) we have absolutely nothing. And John Fox loves his CBs. No way he goes into the season with a scrub at nickel, especially after the escapades last year.

Then again...we need a safety and it puts all three of them on the field and they are the three best DBs we have...

I dunno. I like the CJ Wilson pick actually, he sounds like a decent player for a 7th rounder. Got a bit of an attitude like Marshall, but that's good in small doses. Fills the 4th CB/S role well. Just gotta find the guy to start next to Minter
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I suppose the secondary isn't much of an issue in our defense. We went to the Super Bowl with Deon Grant and Reggie Howard as two of our top four defensivebacks.
True, but you have to look at what our D-line consisted of that year...

All-Pro Kris Jenkins
Pep with a chip on his shoulder
Rucker who set his career high in sacks that year
Buckner's experience and leadership
Burton & Wallace as possibly the top two back-up D-linemen in the league
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Safety has become a big position in the NFL, it is the leader now of the DBs, and can change games in huge ways. With Chris Gamble struggling as he did, it was important to be able to get someone capable of helping.

You can't go against the best teams in this league without an athletic and smart safety.

Patriots, Colts, Chargers, Bears, Saints.

All go deep or use TEs quite a bit.
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I think Chris Gamble would be so much more effective in a position where he can keep the play in front of him, which is why I think he would work at safety. I would move Mike Minter back to strong safety, a move that should have been made as soon as Thomas Davis moved to linebacker, and atleast try Chris Gamble at free safety. While Ken Lucas and Richard Marshall deserve to start at cornerback, it would be a bit of a waste to have a proven ball-hawk like Gamble on the bench. We just have to hope he doesn't try to lateral pass any of his interceptions.

Who knows? We may just play with one safety and throw an extra cornerback on the field on every play.

Tim Shaw ran in the 4.4s in the 40-yard dash at his Pro Day, while it was on FieldTurf, that is still insane. Throw him on the field at safety!
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I read in the Charlotte Observer that the Panthers refused a trade with Cleveland that would have given us their first round pick next year for Jenkins. Why didn't we take this? Did we really want to trade him or were we just doing it to motivcate him, because we weren't going to get any better value than that, a probable top-10 pick that eventually went to Dallas in hte trade for Brady Quinn. A team with a rookie quarterback and not that much defense won't do that well, so we would have gotten a great pick. I dont understand how we could have turned it down. If it's because Fox or Hurney wanted something immediate because they dont want to lose their jobs, than that's stupid.
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That deal would have also included our first-round pick this year, which we needed for the present time. Sure it would be nice to have a top-five pick in the draft next year, but we would be worse off at defensive tackle and linebacker because of it. When you look at some of the talent on this team (Keyshawn Johnson, Mike Minter, Mike Rucker, etc.) we are a team built to win now and this trade wouldn't have helped that cause.
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The article did not mention that we would have to give up our first round pick this year. That significantly changes my view on the potential trade. You're right, we are built to win now and just need a couple players like Beason to fill holes. If the trade was our first and Jenkins for their first next year, I wouldnt have done it.
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I would have to believe that was the trade, as they probably wanted to move up to our spot to get Brady Quinn.
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Here's the report of the possible trade I found in the Rock Hill Herald.

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Panthers coach John Fox suggested that when the Panthers were fielding offers for the 14th pick (which they traded to the Jets), the Cleveland Browns called.

They offered a package "similar to" what they ended up giving Dallas for 22, where they took Brady Quinn.

"Next year's first is always interesting," Fox said.

GM Marty Hurney then mentioned the Jets package was deemed best because it allowed them to stay in the first round this year and get an extra second.
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Absolutely no mention of them wanting Jenkins from what I remember. That was all part of them wanting to trade back into the first and take Quinn.
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Could you find that report that said it was Kris Jenkins for Cleveland's 2008 first-round pick straight up?

I doubt Cleveland would have ever put that deal on the table, especially when they had that future first-round pick involved in the eventual Brady Quinn deal.
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Do you think Kris Jenkins is still on the trade block going into the season? Perhaps for a starting safety and a pick next year?
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