Carolina Panthers Discussion - Page 42

JustJoe2k5 · 09-15-2008, 08:09 AM

I was surprised to see the statistic that Delhomme, in the last few years, is either tied with or right behind Tom Brady for the NFL-lead in fourth-quarter touchdown passes. Especially when you consider the year that Brady had last year and the fact that Delhomme missed the majority of the season.

JustJoe2k5 · 09-15-2008, 08:12 AM

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The best thing is, the best case scenario I could've envisioned for this team was 10-6 with 2 out of 3 games being losses in the first three weeks. If Smith is angry and Davidson uses him early and often we'll be 3 and 0 facing an easier turn of schedule.

I don't think Smith even needs to catch a pass to significantly improve this offense. He'll take pressure off of Muhammad, Hackett, Williams, Stewart, the tight ends, and everyone else who has stepped up thus far this season to make this team 2-0. I just hope that Delhomme will continue to spread the ball around to all of his weapons and not have tunnel-vision for Smith.

ShutDwn · 09-15-2008, 08:59 AM

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I don't think Smith even needs to catch a pass to significantly improve this offense. He'll take pressure off of Muhammad, Hackett, Williams, Stewart, the tight ends, and everyone else who has stepped up thus far this season to make this team 2-0. I just hope that Delhomme will continue to spread the ball around to all of his weapons and not have tunnel-vision for Smith.

I agree, we can't just revert to a Henning style offense. As good as Smith is, a balanced attack is better.

ShutDwn · 09-15-2008, 05:31 PM

Who has thrown more 4th quarter TDs since 2003?

Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Brett Favre — they are all close but no one has thrown more TD passes (33) than Jake Delhomme in the fourth quarter since 2003, and that’s factoring in that Delhomme missed 13 games last season. When the game is on the line, there might not be a better quarterback, and it’s no accident that he led the Panthers to two come-from-behind fourth-quarter victories against the Chargers and Bears the first two weeks of the season.

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW.../eye091508.htm

ShutDwn · 09-16-2008, 10:31 PM

Moving on to the Vikings now...

I want the team to really play a complete game this time. Against the Chargers, we didn't finish in the redzone and had some penalties. We also let up on defense on two drives. Against the Bears, we showed up in the redzone finally, I am happy that the line was able to get such good push down there. But we had even more penalties. The defense played very well the entire game I would say, though they did give up a TD, it was a 23 yard drive.

Hopefully Steve's return bring a even better balance of pass and run. I am also worried about Allen against Gross.

JustJoe2k5 · 09-17-2008, 10:42 AM

I would expect to see Smith back with a vengeance. He always seems to perform better inside on artificial turf. I don't expect this week to be any different. The responsbility will fall on the shoulders of Davidson and Delhomme to utilize what Smith can do with the ball in his hands as well as when the ball is out of his hands. Don't be afraid to turn to Muhammad, Hackett, Jarrett, Rosario, King, Hoover, Stewart, or Williams if Smith is double or triple-covered. Delhomme has the best arsenal of weapons around him he has ever had, he needs to continue to use them to their fullest extent even with Smith back on the field.

ShutDwn · 09-17-2008, 12:46 PM

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I would expect to see Smith back with a vengeance. He always seems to perform better inside on artificial turf. I don't expect this week to be any different. The responsbility will fall on the shoulders of Davidson and Delhomme to utilize what Smith can do with the ball in his hands as well as when the ball is out of his hands. Don't be afraid to turn to Muhammad, Hackett, Jarrett, Rosario, King, Hoover, Stewart, or Williams if Smith is double or triple-covered. Delhomme has the best arsenal of weapons around him he has ever had, he needs to continue to use them to their fullest extent even with Smith back on the field.

Jake was spreading it around as much as he could last year before the injury, so I think he will be able to pick up where he left off, but do even better because Moose and Hackett are so much better than Carter and Colbert. Even Jarrett would probably do more than Colbert.

Also, I heard that Ferrotte is starting. We will see how much this team has changed, typically we would make him look like a superstar.

ShutDwn · 09-21-2008, 06:53 PM

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Also, I heard that Ferrotte is starting. We will see how much this team has changed, typically we would make him look like a superstar.

Well, the Vikings run game basically owned us.

Recipe to beat the Panthers:

Start your backup.

iloxygenil · 09-21-2008, 07:24 PM

Well...I'm stoked to see how the Falcons can play against you guys this week. I don't anticipate a win by any means, because you don't just walk into Carolina and EXPECT to win. I'm thinking that we can give you a good run though, and after watching how a stout run game can do against you guys that makes me happy. But I just know we don't have NEAR the defensive line you faced this week. You didn't have a pass rusher on Abe's level, but we don't have a DT worth 1/2 of what theirs are. I know that they made a big FA pickup in Allen, but he's not the pass rusher Abe is, no one in the league is *right now*

But this game is going to be exciting, if the Falcons can STEAL one, and it would be just that, a theft, because we're not as good as you guys are yet, then that would shake up a lot of things in terms of who's going to end up being the class of the NFC South, because I believe it's the Panthers...if the Falcons can knock them off early and on the road, then I think that'd be a huge boost to the Falcons' confidence. Which is beyond measurable on when it comes to looking at teams on paper.

All that being said, Here's to a good hard fought game without injury.

You guys know how to beat the Falcons...have us forget about pounding the run...and get in Ryan's head early...because he's going to settle in, but if you shake him up early like the Bucs you can easily win. You have an offense that's going to match up well against our defense, your bruising runners will take a toll on our defense. If you throw the ball you're going to lose, but I'm sure you guys'll come out and pound the rock.

I'm hoping to see the offense show up for the Falcons and at least keep us close in the game.

ShutDwn · 09-22-2008, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by iloxygenil

Well...I'm stoked to see how the Falcons can play against you guys this week. I don't anticipate a win by any means, because you don't just walk into Carolina and EXPECT to win. I'm thinking that we can give you a good run though, and after watching how a stout run game can do against you guys that makes me happy. But I just know we don't have NEAR the defensive line you faced this week. You didn't have a pass rusher on Abe's level, but we don't have a DT worth 1/2 of what theirs are. I know that they made a big FA pickup in Allen, but he's not the pass rusher Abe is, no one in the league is *right now*

But this game is going to be exciting, if the Falcons can STEAL one, and it would be just that, a theft, because we're not as good as you guys are yet, then that would shake up a lot of things in terms of who's going to end up being the class of the NFC South, because I believe it's the Panthers...if the Falcons can knock them off early and on the road, then I think that'd be a huge boost to the Falcons' confidence. Which is beyond measurable on when it comes to looking at teams on paper.

All that being said, Here's to a good hard fought game without injury.

You guys know how to beat the Falcons...have us forget about pounding the run...and get in Ryan's head early...because he's going to settle in, but if you shake him up early like the Bucs you can easily win. You have an offense that's going to match up well against our defense, your bruising runners will take a toll on our defense. If you throw the ball you're going to lose, but I'm sure you guys'll come out and pound the rock.

I'm hoping to see the offense show up for the Falcons and at least keep us close in the game.

Unless you guys have a run defense as good as the Vikings, and Wharton is out once again, I don't think you will hold Williams and Stewart to 40 yards. Gross will probably give up two sacks, and will get lots of help from Jeff King.

Should be an interesting game.

d34ng3l021 · 09-23-2008, 03:17 PM

I hope Grady Jackson and Jonathan Babineaux bring their top game. We are going to need everything from them and Curtis Lofton to stop that running game. Hopefully Abraham continues his dominant play because the only way we might stop Steve Smith is if Abraham harasses Delhomne (which he has done in the past). Once the Falcons have the ball, I expect us to establish a run game that should net us about 100-150 yards. The offense however will be on Ryan's shoulders. The Panthers defense may not be as good as the Bucs, but it is considerably better than the Chiefs and Lions. Ryan needs to show that he can handle the pressure and perform against good competition, but most of all, he needs to limit his mistakes and turnovers. If he can do that, we have a real chance at this game. Its most likely that he won't though, seeing as how he is a rookie.

iloxygenil · 09-23-2008, 08:22 PM

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Unless you guys have a run defense as good as the Vikings, and Wharton is out once again, I don't think you will hold Williams and Stewart to 40 yards. Gross will probably give up two sacks, and will get lots of help from Jeff King.

Should be an interesting game.

I hope Wharton plays, and I hope he gets lined up against Abe, we all remember what happened last time he tried to man him up...lmao.

As far as our run D, it's not going to happen like the Vikes, look at their DL it's hell for a RB, but with Grady in the game, we have one serious run plug up the middle, especially with Lofton behind him (who has done very very well at this stage, and will not allow runs up the middle) that's going to be the biggest thing for our run defense (or anyone against the likes of Jonathan Stewart) If we can force your backs from inside to outside, keeping them from getting their shoulders square, then it's a much easier game, but if we can't, then it's going to be a long day. The Falcons have tackled extremely well, and will continue to do that, but Stewart will wear them out for sure. Could make for a very long day.

If I were Carolina I'd try that crap you guys pulled when you only threw the ball what, 3 times? I mean shoot, just let Williams be the QB again with Stewart back there with him, that'd be your scariest formation.

ShutDwn · 09-23-2008, 10:52 PM

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I hope Wharton plays, and I hope he gets lined up against Abe, we all remember what happened last time he tried to man him up...lmao.

As far as our run D, it's not going to happen like the Vikes, look at their DL it's hell for a RB, but with Grady in the game, we have one serious run plug up the middle, especially with Lofton behind him (who has done very very well at this stage, and will not allow runs up the middle) that's going to be the biggest thing for our run defense (or anyone against the likes of Jonathan Stewart) If we can force your backs from inside to outside, keeping them from getting their shoulders square, then it's a much easier game, but if we can't, then it's going to be a long day. The Falcons have tackled extremely well, and will continue to do that, but Stewart will wear them out for sure. Could make for a very long day.

If I were Carolina I'd try that crap you guys pulled when you only threw the ball what, 3 times? I mean shoot, just let Williams be the QB again with Stewart back there with him, that'd be your scariest formation.

Wharton is at guard now, where he is a lot better. Him coming back boosts are run game quite a bit, he has been out since the first game.

If our line holds up though, I think our receivers match up very well against anyone Atlanta has in the secondary, especially Smith.

d34ng3l021 · 09-26-2008, 05:22 PM

Sam Baker might not play. If he doesnt, our chances just got helluva lot lower.

But with John Abraham lining up at either RE or LE excited me. Otah is huge and no way will he be able to handle Abraham's speed. He beat Albert for a sack and FF and I expect Abe to tear it up against Gross and especially Otah. I am thinking he gets 1-2 sacks. 3 sacks if we win.

I am so excited to see Ryan go up against a legit D. I need more evidence to back him up in arguments.

ShutDwn · 09-28-2008, 03:28 PM

Well, it really wasn't very close, but it should have been even more dominant. So many penalties, we are pathetic with the false starts.

I was happy with our offense otherwise, Moose and Smith tore it up. Stewart and Williams didn't have much room, but they were decent at times. We also contained Abraham extremely well, even without Gross.

The defense gave up one big run, but otherwise was completely dominating only giving up six points and should have put up seven but that was a totally bogus call, this is football and that wasn't a bad hit at all.

Anyway, we need to get healthy on our line, or our run game takes a massive hit. I am glad the Chiefs won because I hope that tells them they can't look them over.

bored of education · 09-29-2008, 01:05 PM

Watch out for my Chiefs! J Stew is a beast. He was my favorite RB in this years draft. I can't wait to see how the Chiefs' young D does in response to their solid showing this week against Denver.

ShutDwn · 09-29-2008, 01:15 PM

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Watch out for my Chiefs! J Stew is a beast. He was my favorite RB in this years draft. I can't wait to see how the Chiefs' young D does in response to their solid showing this week against Denver.

Indeed, seems your defense came alive and so did Jake this past week.

ShutDwn · 09-30-2008, 02:41 PM

The Pass rush needs to step up so that we can stat getting more turnovers. Chris Harris is fantastic, but I don't want to rely on him completely for a turnover.

Splat · 10-03-2008, 01:38 PM

Gross out for Panthers Sunday; Otah doubtful

diabsoule · 10-03-2008, 03:05 PM

Do you guys think you'll re-sign Jordan Gross at the end of the year since he's a FA?

JPF · 10-05-2008, 12:43 AM

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Do you guys think you'll re-sign Jordan Gross at the end of the year since he's a FA?

I'd say it's up in the air. I know that sounds like a non-answer, but there's a lot of decisions the Panthers have to make this off-season...

* Peppers contract expires
* Gambles contract expires
* Gross hits free agency if they don't work out a deal or franchise him again
* Is Ken Lucas retained
* Thomas Davis & Richard Marshall both will be heading into the last year of their contracts
* John Kasay's contract expires...do they want to keep him while having to use a roster spot for a kickoff specialist or do they look for a kicker that can do both

It's probably the biggest off-season the team has ever had in terms of important decisions about which way to go with the teams roster and legitimately you could argue 10 different scenarios that are the "correct" way to proceed.

ShutDwn · 10-05-2008, 03:04 PM

Wow guys, we score more points and look the best when both our starting tackles were out.

Other than the interception, Jake was fantastic.

DeAngelo finally broke loose, I knew he would have his day. The defense played amazing from the first snap.

JustJoe2k5 · 10-05-2008, 05:25 PM

It's nice to finally see the team dominate when they should, after years of playing down to the competition. Glad to see the shutout was kept in tact, you could tell that the players and the fans really wanted that to happen. Also glad to see Williams finally step up and show people why he still shares carries with Stewart. Delhomme looked as comfortable in the pocket as I've ever seen him and I think they should let Gross and Otah take their time to recover and see if the player of the offensive line carries into next week.

ShutDwn · 10-05-2008, 07:15 PM

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It's nice to finally see the team dominate when they should, after years of playing down to the competition. Glad to see the shutout was kept in tact, you could tell that the players and the fans really wanted that to happen. Also glad to see Williams finally step up and show people why he still shares carries with Stewart. Delhomme looked as comfortable in the pocket as I've ever seen him and I think they should let Gross and Otah take their time to recover and see if the player of the offensive line carries into next week.

Next week is the Bucs though, they won't let us get away with starting those guys.

Moose coming back has meant so much to this offense it is ridiculous. I did not expect him to be this good, he is opening up the outside edge for the runners, and Smitty is getting open down field a LOT more now.

I agree with Williams, I never lost faith in him, but I was annoyed how quickly other people just wrote him off. Like I said before, DeAngelo and Stewart are going to have great performances. I like to judge them as a duo though, not as individuals, they almost broke 200 yards.

The defense was awesome, I loved Beason's pick. TD had at least two tackles for loss on LJ, which isn't easy. Gamble was all over Bowe. Ken looks like he has lost a few steps, but I was really happy he got the interception.

Also, always under the radar is Godfrey, who really impacts the game by letting Chris Harris do his thing.

JustJoe2k5 · 10-05-2008, 08:52 PM

Delhomme and Muhammad certainly seem to be a pair made for each other and I think the comments made by Muhammad, that he should have never left Carolina in the first place, were completely sincere as he is a totally different wide receiver with Delhomme on the field. I feared that Smith's return would limit Delhomme's ability to spread the ball around, while it has to a certain point, this team can win with only Muhammad and Smith there to catch passes. What's REALLY nice to know is that if either of those two are off, Hackett will be there to fill the void.

Next week will be a real test to see exactly where the Panthers stand. With a decisive victory, there will be little doubt that this team belongs among the upper-echelon of teams in the NFL.