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Old 01-14-2009, 06:38 PM    (permalink
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We have this argument every year. When Jake is healthy, no one likes him, but when he is injured, everyone realizes how much he means to the team. It gets old. To change starting QBs in one of the best offenses would only be a step back.
As for Fox, he inherited a one-win team and led them to an average of 9 wins in the next 7 years. Every year that he has not had a winning record there has been a huge injury to an important player. Last year we won 7 games with Michael Jackson and a half-corpse at QB. The year before we won 8 with Nick Goings as our leading rusher, thats how banged up our RB corps was. Two years before that we won 7 games without Smitty. The only year Fox has had that he didn't have an injured star and still did not win at least 11 games was his first year, when he took the one-win team to a 7 win team with Rodney Peete at QB. Every other year he has won 11 or 12 games. The point is, he wins. Even when his best players are injured, he still wins at least 7 games. His seven years of good coaching trump the one game he did not coach well.

The reason so many people want to see changes is because the loss was not even a week ago. But once the anger from the loss goes away, you'll see that the people we have right now can win and it would be stupid to change that.
We wanted him back because Fox and Hurney did an amazing job at having a backup prepared.

The offense will regress regardless, because we are playing much tougher teams next year.

Explain what exactly Jake did that made the rest of our offense so great, he had 16 TDs and 17 INTs through 17 games. Lets also remember that he was never really on target, he underthrew Smith many times, over threw other guys and doesn't seem to have any understanding of ball placement.
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I got the Panthers for the forum mock :( so I will have to ask you guys some questions

1st of all, anyone who will be cut to save cap space?
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I got the Panthers for the forum mock :( so I will have to ask you guys some questions

1st of all, anyone who will be cut to save cap space?
Landon Johnson, DJ Hackett off the top of my head.
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Saw on ESPN that numerous players have tried to persuade Anquan Boldin to join their respective teams, and Steve Smith was the one player they chose to highlight. Boldin/Smith would be quite the tandem, but I don't know if we have the quarterback to utilize that duo to it's fullest extent. That doesn't even take into account the salary this team would need to shed to even begin to consider the addition of Boldin.
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Saw on ESPN that numerous players have tried to persuade Anquan Boldin to join their respective teams, and Steve Smith was the one player they chose to highlight. Boldin/Smith would be quite the tandem, but I don't know if we have the quarterback to utilize that duo to it's fullest extent. That doesn't even take into account the salary this team would need to shed to even begin to consider the addition of Boldin.
Yeah, NFL Live reported that I heard a few days ago. It would be interesting, he would fit great with his YAC ability and our run game.
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Is Jordan Gross going to get the franchise tag?
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Is Jordan Gross going to get the franchise tag?
Not sure, I have no idea and get a headache from speculating. Peppers doesn't want to stay, I don't know how, but I want something for him.

Gross, we need him to stay, but I don't like to pay him big time money. He is at least consistently healthy and solid at left tackle.

This about sums it up though:

Solution: The bottom line here is you might as well keep the guy who wants to be with you. Pay Gross his money before the start of free agency. Franchise Peppers and unload him for whatever you can get.

Secondary concern: No matter what happens with Peppers, the Panthers need to juice up their defensive line. A few years back, it was supposedly the best in the league when Peppers played with Mike Rucker, Kris Jenkins and Brentson Buckner. Those three are long gone and Peppers is about to join them.

The Panthers have some nice role players in guys like Maake Kemoeatu, Damione Lewis and Charles Johnson. But they don't have any cornerstones.

Solution: The Panthers need to get a first-round pick for Peppers and use it on a defensive end. The other option would be signing a high-priced free agent, but there's not a lot out there and the Panthers aren't flush with cap space. They've got to be aggressive in pursuing some mid-level defensive tackles in free agency.

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its time to make some calls and find takers for both jake d and peppers
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Panther fans picture this-Derek Anderson and an 010' 1st or 2nd or 09' 2nd for Peppers looks doable. Panthers OC Davidson has coached DA and Derek knows Davidson's offense. DA could have success with a run heavy offense and Carolina is going NOWHERE with Delhome. DA wouldn't necessarily have to put up Pro Bowl numbers in the Panther offense. OLB is Browns #1 need and might pay a steep price to get an elite player. Have no idea about the cost/money analysis but......thoughts?
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I thought the browns would b good this year with the pick -up stallworth and rogers didnt turn out but peppers can be a leader of a young browns Defense
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Panther fans picture this-Derek Anderson and an 010' 1st or 2nd or 09' 2nd for Peppers looks doable. Panthers OC Davidson has coached DA and Derek knows Davidson's offense. DA could have success with a run heavy offense and Carolina is going NOWHERE with Delhome. DA wouldn't necessarily have to put up Pro Bowl numbers in the Panther offense. OLB is Browns #1 need and might pay a steep price to get an elite player. Have no idea about the cost/money analysis but......thoughts?
I care most about picks, but Anderson is possible. We will see though, because Fox is very loyal and bringing in Anderson would be a strange move for him.
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Derek Anderson is a taller Delhomme. Trading for him gets us nowhere
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Yeah me no want Anderson. I think Delhomme can get us through one more year, and give Moore some time to see if he's built of the end of 2007, because if he has, he could be at least a serviceable quarterback.
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how about this scenario;
sign and trade peppers to houston, who will be looking @ de and safety and get past indy.

now draft picks as followed:
1. aaron maybin - de
2. evandar hood - dt
3. jamon meredith - ot
4. louis murphy - wr
5. hunter cantwell - qb
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7. tripp chandler - te
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Boo Aaron Maybin. Give me Michael Johnson at #15.
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Derek Anderson is a taller Delhomme. Trading for him gets us nowhere
You did win 12 last season.(I forget-I keep thinking of that playoff game) And Jake's 34. Derek's 25.

Sorry I think I must be stuck on this.
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We didnt win those 12 games because of Delhomme though...in most cases he actually made the situation worse
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Delhomme is artificially worth more to us than any other team in the NFL due to the team believing in him (for no reason whatsoever) along with his rapport with Smith and Muhammad. If we swapped him for another player of his exact talent level, even if he's 10 years younger, it hurts us. And Delhomme isn't ideal as is

The 12 win season was a bit of mirage anyway, similar to the year the Browns made the playoffs. We got lucky in a few games, and our schedule next year is about twice as hard as it was this year. Bring back the exact same team next year (that means including Peppers happy and playing for a contract) and we're probably looking at 9-10 wins

I wouldn't mind a trade with Cleveland (in fact it's about as good a spot to move Peppers as I can think of), but I'd probably be more interested in something like your 2nd rounder and a marginal player. Or the 2nd and a 4th/5th
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Steve Smith and DeAngelo Williams made like 10 plays this year that were the difference between 12-4 and 7-9.

Delhomme didn't have a ton to do with us winning everything, he wasn't terrible but he was only good for about two games against the Falcons and the Chiefs.


I want at least one first rounder and another a second rounder for Peppers. Though I think you could get more if you really tried.
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my mock
2. pat white - qb
3. matt shaunessy - de
4. travis beckhum - te
5. chris baker - dt
6. demetrius bryd - wr
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6. demetrius bryd - wr
7. juan garcia - c
No thank you.

The Panthers biggest needs are along the D-line.

Pat White I just don't see, I think that in Fox's eyes we have our future starter in either McCown or Moore.

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Howdy, Panthers fans. It's just my 1st day posting here so I thought I would impart this about filling the DE spot soon to be vacated by Peppers.

I wrote an article covering the San Jose St. Pro Day since I live here in SJ & interviewed their DE Jarron Gilbert who's been climbing up draft charts like crazy. He was hands-on extensively worked out in positional drills with Rex Ryan of the Jets & other teams clearly spent a lot of time with Gilbert, who has BTW NFL bloodlines, his father played for the Saints. Gilbert said he wants to play a 5-technique with his hand on the ground & is versatile enough to play in either a 3-4 or a 4-3 defense.

The largest contingent there from any NFL team was the Panthers, with HC Fox + 3 assts. I believe they were there for Gilbert b/c they've known for awhile they're going to lose Peppers & they have no 1st rd. pick. And by the time they pick in the 2nd rd.Tyson Jackson & Everette Brown will both be gone, maybe Maybin &/or Ayers too. Gilbert looks like the best fit for them, & he's ranked as high as the 4th or 5th DE after the Pro Day workout. PFW has him miscast as a DT b/c that's what he played at SJ St. for about half his career there, but he's a pure 5-technique DE.
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Howdy, Panthers fans. It's just my 1st day posting here so I thought I would impart this about filling the DE spot soon to be vacated by Peppers.

I wrote an article covering the San Jose St. Pro Day since I live here in SJ & interviewed their DE Jarron Gilbert who's been climbing up draft charts like crazy. He was hands-on extensively worked out in positional drills with Rex Ryan of the Jets & other teams clearly spent a lot of time with Gilbert, who has BTW NFL bloodlines, his father played for the Saints. Gilbert said he wants to play a 5-technique with his hand on the ground & is versatile enough to play in either a 3-4 or a 4-3 defense.

The largest contingent there from any NFL team was the Panthers, with HC Fox + 3 assts. I believe they were there for Gilbert b/c they've known for awhile they're going to lose Peppers & they have no 1st rd. pick. And by the time they pick in the 2nd rd.Tyson Jackson & Everette Brown will both be gone, maybe Maybin &/or Ayers too. Gilbert looks like the best fit for them, & he's ranked as high as the 4th or 5th DE after the Pro Day workout. PFW has him miscast as a DT b/c that's what he played at SJ St. for about half his career there, but he's a pure 5-technique DE.
That's great insight! I'm not a Panthers fan, but I am a huge Gilbert fan. I hope Dallas is the lucky winner of his services on draft day. Happy to know that the Cowboys pick ahead of the Panthers in Round 2.
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