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Old 09-08-2009, 08:33 PM    (permalink
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Kickoff less than a week away lets get this back up

What're we thinking is going to happen verse the eagles? I'm thinking a close game, and I kind of am thinking we will lose. I just don't see our defense stopping them, and they have the kind of defense and corners to really hurt us and Jake.
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Old 09-13-2009, 11:12 AM    (permalink
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GAMEDAYYYYYYYYY

But I've got a bad feeling, I think that its mostly this teams unique ability to follow up a good season with a crappy one. In recent history, we have always lost the opener after a playoff season.
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People were saying its a new year, everyone gets a fresh start, so Jake gets a chance at redemption. But this game has been an exact replica of the last game we played. Scored first, then Jake took over.
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People were saying its a new year, everyone gets a fresh start, so Jake gets a chance at redemption. But this game has been an exact replica of the last game we played. Scored first, then Jake took over.
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That was the defense I was expecting this year. We were too easy to be picked apart, Ryan is good but we made it so easy for him.


Jake didn't ruin the game, but defenses aren't scared of him and they can live with him making a few plays.
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You need DTs badly right now. We need a legit CB badly. Richard Marshall is going to be a free agent anyway how about we cut a deal before the deadline and you can have Corey Williams and Brandon McDonald for Richard Marshall. You have Sharrod Martin plus Bmac has NFL starting experience and you get a 43 DT who doesn't fit our 34, and then we get a legit corner option to help us in the long run.
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No thanks.

Richard Marshall isn't an issue if next year is uncapped like it's looking it will be. In that case he'll be a RFA since the years needed for unrestricted goes from 4 to 6 in an uncapped year.

We have issues at DT, but a larger portion of our issues are coaching related.
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So if we lose tonight, is it still too early to talk about head coach candidates?
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So if we lose tonight, is it still too early to talk about head coach candidates?
Probably because the Panthers are too loyal. I believe he is on the hot seat, I thought that before the year started. He didn't save his job with last year, it only set up this year in my opinion.

This was the season he would win the job, last year was a prerequisite.
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We hung in longer than I thought we would. Our defense seemed to get so tired and from being on the field for the third quarter and having bad field position.

The offense is so one dimensional right now to me, I feel like the reason we can't run is because of Jake. No one is respecting him enough to consistently have the fear of getting beat deep.

The last INT was on Smith, but I didn't think he played particularly well other than that one drive. Muhammad played well, I wish he would have fought for the first INT more and the pass interference was one I thought he could have still caught and scored without having to do that.

The defense was surprising when they brought pressure, and even then I was most surprised at the pressure with the front four. Though we go destroyed by small passes to the runningback.
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how long till you guys think matt moore gets his shot? i figure the panthers have to at some point see what hes got. from what ive read he didnt look bad in preseason. he wasnt amazing but he wasnt bad either.

you have a couple winnable games after the bye week with the skins, bucs, and bills but after that the schedule gets really tough.
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Moore isn't going to get a shot. If Delhomme gets injured they'll hand the reins over to Feely.
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We hung in longer than I thought we would. Our defense seemed to get so tired and from being on the field for the third quarter and having bad field position.

The offense is so one dimensional right now to me, I feel like the reason we can't run is because of Jake. No one is respecting him enough to consistently have the fear of getting beat deep.
We hung in longer because during the first half we were blitzing effectively and playing man coverage. We started giving up yards in the second half because we stopped blitzing and went to a soft zone coverage. Though they were on the field quite a bit in the second half and did end up the victims of bad field position, but that's because of the offense.

The offense really wasn't that one dimensional. D-Will was averaging 5.8 ypc but only got 11 carries. That isn't being one dimensional, it's the offensive playcaller getting away from what is working.

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We hung in longer because during the first half we were blitzing effectively and playing man coverage. We started giving up yards in the second half because we stopped blitzing and went to a soft zone coverage. Though they were on the field quite a bit in the second half and did end up the victims of bad field position, but that's because of the offense.

The offense really wasn't that one dimensional. D-Will was averaging 5.8 ypc but only got 11 carries. That isn't being one dimensional, it's the offensive playcaller getting away from what is working.
He had about three caries that are the bulk of those yards. He had rushes of 14,17, and 12, that really boosted the average, otherwise he is averaging 2.6 with those other eight carries. I didn't see the run game as effective at all, factor in Stewarts total of -1 yard on four attempts and its even worse. Averages should mean consistant production, but in this game they don't tell the truth.

DeAngelo was one of the few backs last year who I thought actually was consistant with his average per touch, whereas Adrian Peterson goes 2 yards 4 plays in a row and then busts a 22 yard gain and now he averages 6 ypc? That isn't accurate at all.

We were completely one dimensional in the second half, if we had any dimensions at all actually.
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Average means just that, the average.

You talk about DeAngelo's average last year being accurate at showing his "consistent production", but have you looked at what that average would be if you took out all his runs of 20+ yards? The Kansas City game alone shows you wrong. He had 123 yards on 20 carries, but take out his 20 yard run and his 32 yard run and he's down to 71 yards on 18 carries. His "average" for that game drops from 6.1 ypc to 3.9 ypc.

So by the standards you're using to base last nights game on, I guess his "average" last year wasn't as accurate at showing his "consistent production" as you claim.
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it's kind of hard to get a consistent vibe going on when you only get 11 carries
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Average means just that, the average.

You talk about DeAngelo's average last year being accurate at showing his "consistent production", but have you looked at what that average would be if you took out all his runs of 20+ yards? The Kansas City game alone shows you wrong. He had 123 yards on 20 carries, but take out his 20 yard run and his 32 yard run and he's down to 71 yards on 18 carries. His "average" for that game drops from 6.1 ypc to 3.9 ypc.

So by the standards you're using to base last nights game on, I guess his "average" last year wasn't as accurate at showing his "consistent production" as you claim.
Yeah, so he is just below 4, which is probably much more accurate per typical run when you actually watch the game. Do you believe Deangelo is really going to get 5 yards every carry he takes? Please tell me you don't.


Player A:
1st run- 2 yards
2nd run- 3 yards
3rd run- 1 yard
4th run- 1 yard
5th run- 3 yards
6th run- 26 yards

5.0 ypc


Player B:
1st run- 5 yards
2nd run- 4 yards
3rd run- 4 yards
4th run- 5 yards
5th run- 6 yards
6th run- 6 yards

5.0ypc

I am well aware of what an average is, but I am also well aware that out of these two examples above, one of the players has an average that is actually accurate and the other isn't at all.

It is rare that a players average actually reflects what you could expect from them per touch.

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it's kind of hard to get a consistent vibe going on when you only get 11 carries
Well not according to JPF

The more accurate way to analyze a runners carries is a box plot that shows the outliers and then the median and the quartiles.
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Hold on....who was the one that said "if you take out his longest three runs Monday night then his average drops to 2.6 ypc"?

Oh yea, that was you.

But when I use that same logic to counter your comment about DeAngelo's average equaling his consistent production you act like I'm the one expecting him to get 5 yards every carry?


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2nd run- 3 yards
3rd run- 1 yard
4th run- 1 yard
5th run- 3 yards
6th run- 26 yards

5.0 ypc
BTW- Your math is wrong on this one, that's a 6.0 ypc average.

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Anyway, enough of the nonsense. We're both going to stick to our guns I'd imagine. So let's talk about something productive...

How can things be fixed this year, or can they?
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Player B:
1st run- 5 yards
2nd run- 4 yards
3rd run- 4 yards
4th run- 5 yards
5th run- 6 yards
6th run- 6 yards

5.0ypc


there is no RB in the NFL capable of doing this on a consistent basis. Hell, most of them are at 4.0 ypc doing 1 yd 2 yd -2 yd 0 yd 20 yd. There are guys with better success rates than DeAngelo, but its typically not the guys you'd expect, and it's more of the 3yd, 3yd, 4yd variety

Even last year when DeAngelo was abursdly good I think it broke down more like 5yd 1yd 4yd 24yd 0yd 8yd etc
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Jake drags DeAngelo Hall for a few extra yards and the game clinching 1st down! 20-17, Panthers win!! That guy from Kiss 95.1 FM can finally come off of the roof!
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Jake drags DeAngelo Hall for a few extra yards and the game clinching 1st down! 20-17, Panthers win!! That guy from Kiss 95.1 FM can finally come off of the roof!
I think that the game looked like the run Jake had, if not a little uglier. I'll take the win but it really doesn't fix anything.
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