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Old 12-27-2009, 11:14 PM    (permalink
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Now here is the question. Is Moore the QB of the future or do we need to get another QB to get this team back to the top of the NFC. I personally believe that Moore has what it takes to be a good QB in the NFL, now I'm not saying that he is an elite QB, but i do believe that he could be a notch below that. I think a good comparison is Eli Manning or Matt Schaub. All he needs to do is not make mistakes and he is doing more than that he is making big plays. With Moore we can go back to where we were last year without the mistakes of Delhomme.
Right, which is a big question going into next year and still has yet to be answered. Its so hard to tell because success in the NFL is about staying ahead of the league. Once he has played enough to let teams really know his tendencies is when we will really see if he has the capability to be a quality QB.

He has shown the last two games that he can be very efficient as a compliment to the run game. I'd like to see him against really tough competition. Thats another reason why we should've gone to him much earlier regardless of Jake's injury, we need to know what he's got.

He has given us a something to hope for and he distributes the ball better than Jake does I feel like and most importantly he got the ball to Steve Smith.

Also, it sucks that Smith is done, he was so close to 1,000 yards.
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There is potential that if John Fox gets fired, he may become our DC once again. Just speculation on my part, but I remember the Giants absolutely LOVING John Fox, so it wouldn't surprise me to see us bring him back in that capacity.

I don't really remember much of his schemes when he was our DC though. So I ask you guys, what style of D did Fox coach?

I know Meeks is the DC this year, so forget about this year. Im talking about years past, when Fox was running the show.

Was it mainly man coverage or zone? Did he blitz alot? What kind of blitzes? Did he run a lot of Cover 2? Mostly 4 man rushes? Did he do any line stunting? Did he use various formations or mainly generic fronts? Press coverage or off coverage?

What style of dline and LB did he prefer?

I know I asked a bunch, but Id appreciate your input. Thanks.
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Oh well, I tried :(

It doesn't matter now anyway, but still :(
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Fox likes the base 4-3. Light on the blitz, though I don't know how much that had to do with the 4 man front being so devastating for the early part of his stint. He didn't really change (a common chord of his coaching) once Rucker fell off and Peppers went on sabbatical so I wouldnt expect anything different elsewhere.

He favors zone by a fair amount but uses man as well. IIRC Cover-3 was the main scheme before the switch with Meeks.

As for flavor and little wrinkles - not a whole lot. You see stunts and big DEs lined up at DT from time to time but it's rare. Nothing like the amount you saw Tuck inside the year the Giants won the SB or the weird **** the Ravens do. We do move Peppers around a little bit, but again, not as much as you'd expect. And as you may recall, one of his complaints was that we'd drop him into coverage a lot. Didn't see that as much last year

From a personnel standpoint:
He likes to have a decent rotation on the DLine. Even when we had Peppers and Rucker we would usually have a pretty solid pass rush specialist (Al Wallace for a couple years, then some other guy I forgot) behind the two of them to come in for a few plays. DT has been much more fluid. Over the last couple years it's become evident that he likes to have at least one Nose to eat space, with some guys who get penetration in the rotation

LB has been odd. We've had great MLB play basically Fox's entire tenure so I'm not sure if it's a position he values or if we've just gotten lucky. Even the years Morgan was out all season Chris Draft filled in adequately. For some idiotic reason Thomas Davis played strongside the first two years after they gave up on the safety experiment but he was switched to weakside this year and had really blown up before getting injured. If you recall, Will Witherspoon showed well weakside in the Fox 4-3 before signing with the Rams. The 3rd guy has typically been a cheap vet who doesnt make many mistakes or many plays

The secondary hasn't changed much. Other than the SB year where they took advantage of the press coverage Bill Polian got outlawed, it's been the same basic thought process. Get three starter level cover corners, a strong safety who can blow people up and some random dude to hopefully not mess up too bad at free.

ahhh what else? Before the DC switch, we used to get gashed by tights ends and running QBs on the regular. I suppose in theory this makes sense given we ran c3. Trgovac got ran out of town for being too passive and leaning on zone a bit much his last two years. Fox would "step in" from time to time to help him out when the D was struggling and typically they'd improve modestly as a result.

Overall, as long as the talent is there he's made pretty good use of it. And from what I can remember he does an adequate job covering up holes when they do exist. The main problem with his tenure here has been loyalty to bad players and inconsistency on offense. I feel he'd excel if he went back to coordinator, unless he mailed it in thinking the job is under him now. Provided he doesn't, I wouldn't expect him to be around long. Most of the fanbase will even admit they wouldn't be surprised if he wins as a HC elsewhere. He's just gotten too comfortable here and may need to go somewhere else that's down in the dumps to get the hunger back. If I was a Cleveland or a Buffalo I'd be looking to hire him away this offseason as the head guy
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Fox likes the base 4-3. Light on the blitz, though I don't know how much that had to do with the 4 man front being so devastating for the early part of his stint. He didn't really change (a common chord of his coaching) once Rucker fell off and Peppers went on sabbatical so I wouldnt expect anything different elsewhere.

He favors zone by a fair amount but uses man as well. IIRC Cover-3 was the main scheme before the switch with Meeks.

As for flavor and little wrinkles - not a whole lot. You see stunts and big DEs lined up at DT from time to time but it's rare. Nothing like the amount you saw Tuck inside the year the Giants won the SB or the weird **** the Ravens do. We do move Peppers around a little bit, but again, not as much as you'd expect. And as you may recall, one of his complaints was that we'd drop him into coverage a lot. Didn't see that as much last year

From a personnel standpoint:
He likes to have a decent rotation on the DLine. Even when we had Peppers and Rucker we would usually have a pretty solid pass rush specialist (Al Wallace for a couple years, then some other guy I forgot) behind the two of them to come in for a few plays. DT has been much more fluid. Over the last couple years it's become evident that he likes to have at least one Nose to eat space, with some guys who get penetration in the rotation

LB has been odd. We've had great MLB play basically Fox's entire tenure so I'm not sure if it's a position he values or if we've just gotten lucky. Even the years Morgan was out all season Chris Draft filled in adequately. For some idiotic reason Thomas Davis played strongside the first two years after they gave up on the safety experiment but he was switched to weakside this year and had really blown up before getting injured. If you recall, Will Witherspoon showed well weakside in the Fox 4-3 before signing with the Rams. The 3rd guy has typically been a cheap vet who doesnt make many mistakes or many plays

The secondary hasn't changed much. Other than the SB year where they took advantage of the press coverage Bill Polian got outlawed, it's been the same basic thought process. Get three starter level cover corners, a strong safety who can blow people up and some random dude to hopefully not mess up too bad at free.

ahhh what else? Before the DC switch, we used to get gashed by tights ends and running QBs on the regular. I suppose in theory this makes sense given we ran c3. Trgovac got ran out of town for being too passive and leaning on zone a bit much his last two years. Fox would "step in" from time to time to help him out when the D was struggling and typically they'd improve modestly as a result.

Overall, as long as the talent is there he's made pretty good use of it. And from what I can remember he does an adequate job covering up holes when they do exist. The main problem with his tenure here has been loyalty to bad players and inconsistency on offense. I feel he'd excel if he went back to coordinator, unless he mailed it in thinking the job is under him now. Provided he doesn't, I wouldn't expect him to be around long. Most of the fanbase will even admit they wouldn't be surprised if he wins as a HC elsewhere. He's just gotten too comfortable here and may need to go somewhere else that's down in the dumps to get the hunger back. If I was a Cleveland or a Buffalo I'd be looking to hire him away this offseason as the head guy
thanks man. thats all i needed to know. i appreciate it.
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my mock

2. jordan shipley - wr
3. brandon ghee - cb
4. sean canfield - qb
5. jimmy graham - te
6. chet teofilo - g
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is that the caste football mock? i mean i know graham is technically black but...
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is that the caste football mock? i mean i know graham is technically black but...
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I'm pretty sure that is not the mock of a white supremacist.
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still need a Panthers GM for a forum mock thing:

http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=38839

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THE PANTHER THREAD LIVESSSSS

breaking news: Chris Harris has been traded back to the Bears

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nf...ory?id=5139992


Sad to see him go. I hope Godfrey is ready to put his big boy pants on and play like a pro. I feel decent about Martin.

Our linebackers just got a lot more interesting.
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breaking news: Chris Harris has been traded back to the Bears

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nf...ory?id=5139992


Sad to see him go. I hope Godfrey is ready to put his big boy pants on and play like a pro. I feel decent about Martin.

Our linebackers just got a lot more interesting.
Agree...I think Sherod Martin can step up and play well
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Basically our entire season rests upon on defensive line in my opinion. If they can't do anything our offense must play keep away in basically every game because even if our DBs are good they won't last in coverage.
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so its good to see our young players getting to start but am i the only one who thinks Carolina could have gotten more than a backup LB for Harris? i heard he struggled some last year and i didnt get to see how much since i moved to TN but surely he didnt struggle that much did he? maybe this LB is alot better than i think but idk it just seems like we maybe could have gotten more.
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agree..it will be interesting to see how this Dline looks
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so its good to see our young players getting to start but am i the only one who thinks Carolina could have gotten more than a backup LB for Harris? i heard he struggled some last year and i didnt get to see how much since i moved to TN but surely he didnt struggle that much did he? maybe this LB is alot better than i think but idk it just seems like we maybe could have gotten more.
Jon Beason, Thomas Davis, Diggs, Anderson, Connor, Jamar Williams

Plus the rookie coming in on special teams, Diggs could be at risk to not make the team, Anderson played well replacing Davis.
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Jon Beason, Thomas Davis, Diggs, Anderson, Connor, Jamar Williams

Plus the rookie coming in on special teams, Diggs could be at risk to not make the team, Anderson played well replacing Davis.
Diggs plays for St.louis now
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Yeah, I thought he may have been gone but I was feeling a bit lazy to look. Anderson or Connor would have beaten him out this year I think anyway.
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Yeah, I thought he may have been gone but I was feeling a bit lazy to look. Anderson or Connor would have beaten him out this year I think anyway.
Agree..I think Connor will get the job.
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http://blogs.charlotte.com/panthers/...h-clausen.html

People seem to try and smear Clausen's name a lot...
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i didnt like the pick and still dont just because of Moore but now that we have him i want him to play up to all the hype so im glad to hear Clausen did well and isnt being a d bag so far, hopefully itll stick.
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We'd have been stupid to pass on Clausen because of Moore. I am a Matt Moore supporter but he hasn't started a full season, teams don't have much tape on him and he isn't a "first to arrive last to leave" kind of guy which to me is so important to being a leader and a QB capable of winning at a high level.
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yeah i agree since he was there it was definitely the right pick, he was to me the best QB in the draft and although i didnt think we should have taken a QB that early you cant pass on a top 5 talent like that in the second round especially when you do have someone like Moore who hasnt started a full season.
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