Carolina Panthers Discussion - Page 9

JPF · 01-09-2007, 07:24 AM

So the team needs section has been updated, and yet again TE is still #2 for the Panthers. :roll:

I admit we need something better than what we have, but at some point Scott has to give up this "they haven't had a passcatcher since Walls". Well duh! Cause the scheme doesn't use TE's as passcatchers.

BIG Country · 01-09-2007, 08:35 AM

[quote="JPFI believe you mean that the remaining amount is accelerated against the next years cap.
It's prorated out over the total years of the contract unless it's accelerated due to the player being released/traded. Seems like you just used the wrong term.[/quote]

You're right, I was thinking about the bonus being prorated throughout the life of the contract and I had that term stuck in my head.

As far as Leak goes.....I'm a huge Leak supporter. I have been ever since I saw him play in HS. The thing with Chris and this was evident last night is that he lack of height is going to hinder him. He was almost forced to throw a jump pass several times in order to get it over the line. He also has average arm strength. On several of the out routes, the ball seemed to float and he's lucky it wasn't picked. I'm not knocking his game, he led that team to the National Championship but I just don't see it translating well into the pros. Another thing with Chris, and this goes back to his HS days, is that when you put pressure in his face, he struggles. I was confused as to why OSU kept rushing just 8. When he can stand back there, he will pick you apart. Send a lot of pressure and (this has a lot to do with MAYBE being 6') he can't see his receivers and he can't move up in the pocket because he can't see over the line. Chris was a great HS and college QB but I don't see him doing well in the NFL. I hope he proves me wrong though.

FirstAndGoal · 01-09-2007, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by JPF

So the team needs section has been updated, and yet again TE is still #2 for the Panthers. :roll:

I admit we need something better than what we have, but at some point Scott has to give up this "they haven't had a passcatcher since Walls". Well duh! Cause the scheme doesn't use TE's as passcatchers.

I think it is some of both. We don't need our TE to catch passes in the system we have, but it would be a nice option if we had a good TE reciever. The Panthers have not seemed desperate to get a recieving TE in the offseason, but we have looked at a couple guys like Freddie Jones in free agency and we have drafted TEs in the later rounds. The team seems to view it as a luxury, not a need.

But one person I would look at is new englad's daniel graham. NE has their tight end of the future in ben watson and probably won't spend the money to keep graham. he certainly wont be a star TE, but certainly an upgrade from who we have now.

ShutDwn · 01-09-2007, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by JPF

So the team needs section has been updated, and yet again TE is still #2 for the Panthers. :roll:

I admit we need something better than what we have, but at some point Scott has to give up this "they haven't had a passcatcher since Walls". Well duh! Cause the scheme doesn't use TE's as passcatchers.

I think it is some of both. We don't need our TE to catch passes in the system we have, but it would be a nice option if we had a good TE reciever. The Panthers have not seemed desperate to get a recieving TE in the offseason, but we have looked at a couple guys like Freddie Jones in free agency and we have drafted TEs in the later rounds. The team seems to view it as a luxury, not a need.

But one person I would look at is new englad's daniel graham. NE has their tight end of the future in ben watson and probably won't spend the money to keep graham. he certainly wont be a star TE, but certainly an upgrade from who we have now.

We did have Wiggins, and he caught how many passes?

Wiggins could be a FA this year though.

01-09-2007, 04:43 PM

i think carolina needs to find a good qb some time because this basanez guy im not sure if he is good enough we dont need another delhomme we need a solid good quarterback as for those that say chris leak and or troy smith is to short look at the sucesses drew brees is having he is the same height as leak

ShutDwn · 01-09-2007, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by pantherzfan28

i think carolina needs to find a good qb some time because this basanez guy im not sure if he is good enough we dont need another delhomme we need a solid good quarterback as for those that say chris leak and or troy smith is to short look at the sucesses drew brees is having he is the same height as leak

Leak isn't going to be a good NFL QB, he doesn't have a strong enough arm and he can't read defenses.

JPF · 01-09-2007, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by JPF

So the team needs section has been updated, and yet again TE is still #2 for the Panthers. :roll:

I admit we need something better than what we have, but at some point Scott has to give up this "they haven't had a passcatcher since Walls". Well duh! Cause the scheme doesn't use TE's as passcatchers.

I think it is some of both. We don't need our TE to catch passes in the system we have, but it would be a nice option if we had a good TE reciever. The Panthers have not seemed desperate to get a recieving TE in the offseason, but we have looked at a couple guys like Freddie Jones in free agency and we have drafted TEs in the later rounds. The team seems to view it as a luxury, not a need.

But one person I would look at is new englad's daniel graham. NE has their tight end of the future in ben watson and probably won't spend the money to keep graham. he certainly wont be a star TE, but certainly an upgrade from who we have now.

It's more the system than anything. We keep our TE's in to block on about 70% of passing plays.

We signed Freddie Jones, he retired not long after being signed. Fox said in the press conference announcing we'd signed him that he'd have to pick up his blocking if he wanted playing time.

We had Jermaine Wiggins and anyone hardly knew he was here until he had ONE big play in a playoff game.

The late round guys we've taken, well, that's where teams usually take blocking TE's. Which, there's nothing to say that the guys we've taken under Fox are anything more than that.

As for Daniel Graham, he's a name I keep looking at hoping we'll go after, but I'm not counting on it.

BlindSite · 01-09-2007, 09:18 PM

I still say Kolb in the third should be our target.

01-10-2007, 07:10 AM

How can you guys count out Basanez? The Baz-Man?!

I kid, I kid. Though I do think he could be developed into a quality QB.

I do like a lot about many of the young QB prospects comming out. I don't think Leak has it, but he could turn out to be pretty good because he's a smart cookie.

I watched most of Kolb's bowl game, and he reminded me of a younger, more accurate Jake, which I could really go for. At the same time, the Panthers have a lot of holes unless we get some picks via trade or RFAs, we need to address other areas than QB right now.

BIG Country · 01-10-2007, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by pantherzfan28

i think carolina needs to find a good qb some time because this basanez guy im not sure if he is good enough we dont need another delhomme we need a solid good quarterback as for those that say chris leak and or troy smith is to short look at the sucesses drew brees is having he is the same height as leak

Drew Brees is 6'. Chris Leak is 5'10-5'11 at the most, same with Troy Smith. Brees also has a stronger arm than Leak and is more mobile.

jbombul · 01-10-2007, 10:12 AM

i just did a mock draft and i had you guys trade down with the giants and pick up a 3rd rounder and a 4th next year. I had you pick Poz at 20 to play middle linebacker and in the second round i had you guys take troy smith.... any thoughts?

ShutDwn · 01-10-2007, 02:00 PM

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i just did a mock draft and i had you guys trade down with the giants and pick up a 3rd rounder and a 4th next year. I had you pick Poz at 20 to play middle linebacker and in the second round i had you guys take troy smith.... any thoughts?

Third and fourth rounders next year don't help us. Poz is over rated, we need a playmaker at S more than anything. Draft is fine if we have to go to him. We can draft a guy in the second or third. David Harris is a great run stuffer.

JustJoe2k5 · 01-10-2007, 03:19 PM

The only linebacker I would want in the first round would be Patrick Willis. He seems to fit the same type of mold as a Dan Morgan. He is all over the field and involved in every tackle.

ShutDwn · 01-10-2007, 03:58 PM

So, a WR I really like in the later rounds is Andre Caldwell. I think if we could get a new system in here he would be perfect in an offense that spreads it out and lets the WRs run.

We have the perfect backs for a spread offense.

If we do get a new coordinator, which is unlikely, we will need another young WR to come in and help cause Keyshawn will be gone too.

Colbert would do well in that offense too.

01-10-2007, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by pantherzfan28

i think carolina needs to find a good qb some time because this basanez guy im not sure if he is good enough we dont need another delhomme we need a solid good quarterback as for those that say chris leak and or troy smith is to short look at the sucesses drew brees is having he is the same height as leak

Drew Brees is 6'. Chris Leak is 5'10-5'11 at the most, same with Troy Smith. Brees also has a stronger arm than Leak and is more mobile.

espn.com says they all are 6' if leak isnt good enough what about troy smith we cant wait much longer to get a solid qb who knows how long delhomme will be there

01-10-2007, 07:03 PM

i also wouldnt mind brian brohm

ShutDwn · 01-10-2007, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by pantherzfan28

i think carolina needs to find a good qb some time because this basanez guy im not sure if he is good enough we dont need another delhomme we need a solid good quarterback as for those that say chris leak and or troy smith is to short look at the sucesses drew brees is having he is the same height as leak

Drew Brees is 6'. Chris Leak is 5'10-5'11 at the most, same with Troy Smith. Brees also has a stronger arm than Leak and is more mobile.

espn.com says they all are 6' if leak isnt good enough what about troy smith we cant wait much longer to get a solid qb who knows how long delhomme will be there

College's tend to lie about those things. You can bet that those are one or two inches off. Smith played in a pro style offense, and has a much better arm, so he has a better chance to do anything

JustJoe2k5 · 01-11-2007, 06:58 AM

Of Chris Leak and Troy Smith, I believe Smith has the better chance to become a player at the NFL level. While I was disappointed in his performance in the Championship Game, Smith would be one of the last people to blame for the loss. Is he the player for the Panthers? I don't know. The more I read and hear about Trent Edwards out of Stanford, the more I think he would be a great option in the third or fourth round. Personally, I wouldn't use our first-day draft picks on a quarterback who will ride the bench for most of next season. As deep as this draft is at linebacker, we could draft a safety in the first round and a linebacker in the second round and both could start as early as the first game of the season.

JustJoe2k5 · 01-11-2007, 11:10 AM

Just heard on the radio that we signed WR Chris Horn to a two-year contract. I wonder if this is our answer to our trouble on special teams?

JPF · 01-11-2007, 01:39 PM

I don't know that I'd read too much into it.

Chris Horn has a total of 7 kick returns for 75 yards, and 17 special teams tackles in his career.

4pAc · 01-14-2007, 03:07 AM

so what would be better for the panthers, a S or MLB in the 1st? Which players should be put on the trade block, and which players should the panthers trade for?

JustJoe2k5 · 01-14-2007, 06:55 AM

Safety would probably be the #1 priority. We mainly need insurance at middle linebacker, whereas at safety Shaun Williams probably won't be back next season and we'll need a starter. Middle linebacker and quarterback could be addressed in the second or third round.

As far as players on the trade block, atleast for the fantasy mock draft:

DeShaun Foster
Keary Colbert
Mike Rucker
Chris Gamble (It IS fantasy. :))
Shaun Williams (If you can get a ham sandwich for him, consider it a steal.)

Not really sure who you should look to acquire. If someone offers a talented defensive end, that would be considered due to the age of both Al Wallace and Mike Rucker. Perhaps a talented #4 wide receiver, either someone who could be a red-zone target or someone who has great speed. An all-around tight end, we don't need a playmaker just someone who can make the catches when needed, Daniel Graham of the Patriots is a perfect example of the type of tight end that would work in Carolina. Depth at cornerback should also be addressed, our talent is only two and a half-deep and we need atleast two more talented players for insurance in case injuries strike again.

I also would look at the possibility of a trade down if one of the top safeties or linebackers aren't available at our pick.

ShutDwn · 01-14-2007, 11:17 AM

We can't trade Foster, cap hit would be too big.

If we get a new coordinator I think that Colbert should stay. He has the skill set and I think we would regret losing him just because Jake can't work past his 2nd option.

JPF · 01-14-2007, 12:38 PM

Colberts problem is he can't get off a jam to save his life.

ShutDwn · 01-14-2007, 01:07 PM

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Colberts problem is he can't get off a jam to save his life.

Nah, put him with the Patriots and he would be in the top 3 receptions.

He should be running short intermediate crosses, drags and slants. Not post patterns and curls. He doesn't have the speed to threaten deep thus making it pointless to make him run that.

He is good after the catch, so get it to him early.