Denver Broncos Discussion - Page 21

3projectPAT6 · 03-05-2007, 08:49 PM

ya,ya, i know ive cooled down a little bit. Henry will be pretty productive, its just ive never really been impressed by him, out of buffalo he looked solid, looked decent in tennessee, and i know hes gonna be a productive broncos, i think im just upset because there is other prospects that could of been all-stars, like 1,700 yards 15+ TD's in our system.

I take it back... i over reacted.

03-05-2007, 09:51 PM

I am very content with the moves we've made this off-season. If Kearney comes at a decent price, and we draft OL and maybe second tier safety, we're set.

njx9 · 03-05-2007, 10:27 PM

i'm glad we didn't go for willis, and, in the end, i'm glad we didn't pay kerney anything approaching what he signed for. but seriously. i'm down to trade or 1, 2 and one of our 3s to move up for okoye or branch now.

3projectPAT6 · 03-05-2007, 11:14 PM

Mayock had described Branch as Boom or Bust just one too many times for me. That is the very last thing we need, another under achieving D-lineman. I would like to trade our picks to get better position in next years draft. I dont think we are gonna find anything worthwhile at 21, and i dont think its gonna be worth it to trade up into the top 10-15 range. Save picks, try to get into position to get one of the stud RB's next year and have a cutler, marshal, sheftler, and RB X combo that will give us a tremendous chance to win championships for the next 7 years.

03-06-2007, 01:35 AM

Yikes. Pretty happy we didn't sign Kearney with that kind of pay day.

I believe Branch is exactly what we need. I like Okoye as well, but I don't think he will contribute immediately like Branch will.

njx9 · 03-06-2007, 07:01 AM

why on earth would we trade up NEXT year for a running back just so we can pay henry for the next four after that to sit on the bench? that makes less than no sense. if someone falls and can play second fiddle, i can see it, but we just gave him too big a contract to be a one year fill in.

i have no interest in trading for picks next year. this team can win in the next few years, and i'd honestly rather not see us put it off until lepsis has retired and we're set back another three years. get someone on that d-line now who can wreak havoc. this team is otherwise talented enough to do damage in the playoffs. a playmaking DT improves that in a way no other position on the team could (assuming we can't trade ernster's worthlessness for sauerbrun).

elway777 · 03-06-2007, 08:31 AM

I hope if not first day, we get a guy like Dan Bauzin or Mkristo Bruce on the 2nd day of the draft. I am high on getting Okoye, the guy has great work ethic (unlike some of our current d-lineman) and he's balanced as a pass rusher and run stopper and hopefully available at 21.(which I highly doubt)

broncofan4lyfe · 03-06-2007, 04:30 PM

personally it felt to me that what we lacked most was a pass rushing player period. that seems to me the main reason why we had a tough time on defense last year. every qb we played against we constantly gave him too much time to throw. so i think that we should look at a defensive end before we look at a tackle. especially since we just traded for one in dan wilkinson(don't know much about him)...just my opinion but our d-line did a fair job at collapsing a pocket...

jth1331 · 03-06-2007, 07:07 PM

I don't think our problem is really DE, but DT not getting pressure up the middle. Remember how many times our DE's would "get" to the QB, but he would just step up in the pocket and throw? Zero DT pressure, thats our biggest need. Certainly adding a stud DE would help out, but we also need someone who can help get a push up the middle from the DT spot.

njx9 · 03-06-2007, 07:19 PM

our top three DE's all had something like 8.5-9.5 sacks. that's not bad. but our DTs NEVER ONCE got into the pocket or collapsed passing lanes. true, they played well against the run, but they just can't be that ineffective against the pass. wilkinson is also hardly "addressing the position".

elway777 · 03-06-2007, 07:27 PM

NJX which is why Okoye would be a great pick, at this point he's raw and needs to get stronger for NFL Guards and centers but he's very quick and agile with a great first step unlike Branch(who is sliding down boards).

Also if we move to 6 like the rumor for Dre Bly intends, would you rather have Adams or Branch?

njx9 · 03-06-2007, 07:49 PM

i've liked okoye since whenever he was still expected to be in our range, i absolutely agree.

i'd rather have branch. i just don't see how adding another DE to an already crowded rotation can really make the team significantly better in the same way a stud DT would (yes, i'm assuming neither player busts).

Diehard · 03-06-2007, 08:05 PM

I'd take Okoye at 6. Huge potential upside, and he's the disruptor / penetrator we lack right now. Big Daddy can throw his weight around on obvious running downs to give the kid some relief from the constant battering by mammoth OG's.

Branch is a close second. Bigger, tougher but not quite as explosive.

njx9 · 03-06-2007, 08:06 PM

and i dig our rotation if we add one. with warren and wilkinson (and veal occasionally) we can keep guys fresher, which would be huge with a guy like okoye.

elway777 · 03-06-2007, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by njx9

and i dig our rotation if we add one. with warren and wilkinson (and veal occasionally) we can keep guys fresher, which would be huge with a guy like okoye.

Well with Warren and Wilkinson we need depth, their not the most conditioned players. Okoye at this point may be that guy who could come in when either Dan or Warren need some air and also on 3rd downs with Dumervil.

NJX how do you feel about Sabby Pisscettelli(sp?)?

njx9 · 03-06-2007, 08:22 PM

don't know anything about him... i'd rather use our second on weddle at this point, but that's not really based on anything.

jth1331 · 03-07-2007, 09:23 AM

The more I think about it, if we trade up to 6, I'd rather take Landry or Adams, maybe Anderson. I'm not impressed with Branch or Okoye really, and neither will contribute much their rookie year anyways. I think we could do well picking up a DT in rounds 2 and 3.

elway777 · 03-07-2007, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by jth1331

The more I think about it, if we trade up to 6, I'd rather take Landry or Adams, maybe Anderson. I'm not impressed with Branch or Okoye really, and neither will contribute much their rookie year anyways. I think we could do well picking up a DT in rounds 2 and 3.

The real question is if AD falls to 6, do we HAVE to take him?

Diehard · 03-07-2007, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by elway777

The real question is if AD falls to 6, do we HAVE to take him?

Interesting... I think it would be awfully hard for Shanny to resist. A potential franchise back doesn't come along every day... and the way the team is improving right now, we're going to be picking in the lower half of the draft order for the forseeable future.

However, in terms of value, I still think you could go defense.

03-07-2007, 09:55 AM

If we trade up and can get Carriker or Adams, take them and look at McBean or Marcus Thomas in the 2nd.

If we can't get one of those stud DE's but have still traded up, we should almost certainly get Okoye.

However, I will be very happy if we stay where we are and take Demarcus Tyler. (See other stud DT with Tank as nickname... 2nd rounder for the Bears, despite his legal issues, a stud of a player! And Demarcus will be as well)

Actually, if I am playing GM, I am trading the whiney Bly right now for a high second. Packaging my first and a few third round picks and moving up to get Carriker in the first. Taking my high second I get for Bly and getting Demarcus Tyler. Two stud defensive lineman who get instant pressure on the QB is more valuable then ANY CB. And while Bly is better then Foxworth... Bly is not better in covering for 4 seconds then Foxworth is in covering for 3 seconds!

Diehard · 03-07-2007, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by jth1331

The more I think about it, if we trade up to 6, I'd rather take Landry or Adams, maybe Anderson. I'm not impressed with Branch or Okoye really, and neither will contribute much their rookie year anyways. I think we could do well picking up a DT in rounds 2 and 3.

If you don't want one of the top tier DTs or a RBs, then there's very little reason to pay the price to trade up to 6. If you want a pass rush DE or safety, I suspect there will be a solid prospect available at 21.

Diehard · 03-07-2007, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by A4Qxxx

However, I will be very happy if we stay where we are and take Demarcus Tyler. (See other stud DT with Tank as nickname... 2nd rounder for the Bears, despite his legal issues, a stud of a player! And Demarcus will be as well)

Hell, we could probably trade down and still get Tank Tyler at the end of the first / top of the second. Perhaps a swap with Detroit or Cleveland to give them multiple first rounders.

03-07-2007, 10:32 AM

I would be a fan of trading up for Okoye at DT.
But if we trade up and get Adams or Carriker, terrific! They are far better then any DE's we will land at 21.

I don't know how it can be done yet... (trading Bly to get one of those DE's and one of the top two DT's)

But this is my wish list, one of each:
DE-
Adams
Carriker

DT-
Okoye
Tank Tyler
Ryan McBean
Marcus Thomas

I do not believe any other DE on the board will be able to play from day one. (Well Anderson will, but not a big fan). But I do believe any of those four DT's will out perform Wilkinson and Veal to start immediately. Therefore, trade up for a DE, and get one of those 4 - DT later.

Jimmy · 03-07-2007, 10:39 AM

This is why our Front Office Pisses me off. We go out and spend 30 Million on a Tight end who wont catch more than 40-50 passes. And thats asking a lot compared to his previous numbers. Basicly we spent the money on a blocking TE. Might as well spend 5 Million on a Long Snapper. And why would we do this? Scheffler might loose his starting job, and if he does, there goes a TE that could have been and was on his way to being great. And If scheffler wins, well... ****.. We're paying our Backup Tight-end 6 Million dollars a year. This might be one of the dumbest moves from a financial standpoint. I would have rather seen us blow the money on kerney and give him 8 million a year over 4 years or something. We needed to adress WR, OL, and DL, and we get some washed up 34 year old DT and Montrae Dutchland.

Things could be worse. We got Travis Henry and we're not Oakland.
Still

njx9 · 03-07-2007, 04:04 PM

i still don't understand moving up for a DE. someone explain to me how any of our ***** pass rush was the fault of ekuban (7 sacks), lang (6 sacks) or dumervil (8.5 sacks) in a decent rotation and that it had nothing to do with a somehow "solid" combination of an underachieving gerard warren, demetrin veal, michael myers and whatever other garbage we put on the interior of our line. fine, you don't like okoye or branch. then don't advocate addressing a position that doesn't really need significant work.

i mean, let's be honest. neither branch nor okoy can beat out demetrin fricking veal, but you expect adam carriker to instantly beat out ekuban, lang AND be a better rush specialist than dumervil was? i don't get it.