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Old 04-12-2009, 02:15 AM    (permalink
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Broncos could end up getting the better end of the deal. Fill the holes on defense & upgrade your run game. You guys already have some of the best targets in the league, all you really need is a good game manager and you'll be okay, imo.
That's basically my feeling at this point. McD will of course grab a QB with the right skillset in the later rounds to groom as Orton's replacement.

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1.) Vontae Davis, CB, Illinois
1.) Ray Maualuga, ILB, USC
2.) Ron Brace, NT, Boston College
3.) Shonn Greene, RB, Iowa
3.) Lawrence Sidbury, DE/OLB, Richmond
4.) David Bruton, FS, Notre Dame
Both first rounders are guys with dubious judgement / maturity issues. I don't see that happening with McD at the helm. I particularly dislike Davis, as he's pretty much the opposite of a "team player".

Shonn Greene might be a nice addition to our offense if he could: a) catch the ball, or b) pass block.
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Broncos could end up getting the better end of the deal. Fill the holes on defense & upgrade your run game. You guys already have some of the best targets in the league, all you really need is a good game manager and you'll be okay, imo.

1.) Vontae Davis, CB, Illinois
1.) Ray Maualuga, ILB, USC
2.) Ron Brace, NT, Boston College
3.) Shonn Greene, RB, Iowa
3.) Lawrence Sidbury, DE/OLB, Richmond
4.) David Bruton, FS, Notre Dame

Scary, scary, defense.
The draft is decent, Not too exciting though. The only first round DB i think we would take would be Jenkins if he fell to 12, otherwise I don't see it. Maualuga I can live with, and Brace is a great pick in the 2nd. The Broncos have 11 runningbacks currently under contract, So I just don't see drafting a RB that early. The offense is pretty set. Look for most of the draft to be defensive.
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Do you guys feel like a OLB for the 3-4 is something Denver needs to pick up in the draft or do you feel confident that the guys you have (Dumervil, Moss, Crowder) can get the job done?
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Do you guys feel like a OLB for the 3-4 is something Denver needs to pick up in the draft or do you feel confident that the guys you have (Dumervil, Moss, Crowder) can get the job done?
I don't feel confident that Crowder and Moss can do anything, let alone start on defense. The Broncos have worked out quite a number of OLB prospects, which suggests they're looking for help at this position.

Dumervil seems like the guy who will put his hand down when the go to a 4 man front. I don't like him as an every down 3-4 OLB, but if they use him mainly as a rushbacker with limited coverage responsibilities, I could see him having some success.
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Looks like McGee is coming to visit the Broncos:

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/...-heading-west/

He has the kind of intangibles McD is looking for. I certainly wouldn't mind if they took him to groom as a future starter.
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Do you guys feel like a OLB for the 3-4 is something Denver needs to pick up in the draft or do you feel confident that the guys you have (Dumervil, Moss, Crowder) can get the job done?
I have no confidence in our pass rush. None. We need to upgrade the position, it's as simple as that.
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I think the only player that MIGHT have some potential at OLB is Jarvis Moss. But that is a huge maybe. I think one of the first three picks needs to be spent on a potential 3-4 OLB (Ayers, Brown, Maybin)
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Mini-camp notes:

http://blog.denverbroncos.com/denver...sing-out-camp/

The comments about the LB situation were interesting. Woodyard looking good at ILB is no surprise. We've finally had a Crowder sighting... at OLB. If he and Dumervil both show they can play the Rushbacker-DE hybrid spot, then Moss is pretty much dead meat.
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I had kinda forgot about Crowder, I liked him coming out. I figured Woodyard would contribute somewhere.

Maybe the D isn't in as much trouble as we think? Sure it needs a talent injection, but two first rounders, or a first and a 2nd on D should really help it take shape. Can't forget about BDawk being a veteran leader on the field.
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It looks like Crowder is backing up Reid at one of the outside LB spots, with Dumervil starting on the other side. That's a pretty big pair of linebackers, almost more of a 5-2 alignment (which is not typical of Nolan's scheme).

DL is definitely the question mark - McD pretty much said so in his comments. Maybe some of our DT's will pan out as 3-4 ends (Thomas? Peterson?), but NT for sure has to be addressed somewhere in the draft.
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I really think Woodyard could start alongside Williams in the middle. But, I am not the least bit optimistic about Crowder contributing at any point this year. Lets hope McDaniels knows what he's doing this Saturday.
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I really think Woodyard could start alongside Williams in the middle.
In Nolan's usual 3-4 one of the ILB's is a strong attacker who hits the line of scrimmage / lead blocker in hopes of disrupting the play and allowing the other LB's to clean up. Guys like Rey Rey and Jasper Brinkley were born for that role. DJ and WW? Not so much.

Right now, it looks like Andra Davis is going to be doing the dirty work, probably with Larsen and perhaps a rookie behind him.
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Rumor has it that Moss and Crowder are on the trade block:

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...to-trade-down/

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In addition, Iíve also learned that the Denver Broncos are shopping defensive ends Jarvis Moss and Tim Crowder.

Moss, a second year veteran out of the University of Florida, has only started 1 game in the past two seasons. In addition, Moss only amassed 12 tackles in 2008, according to NFL.com.

Crowder, a second year vet out of the University of Texas, only appeared in 19 total games for the Broncos since being drafted.
Ah, the rare and mysterious "double bust". What's that, a 1st, 2nd and 3rd pretty much up in smoke? Nice. We'll be lucky to get some late round junk picks in return.
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http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...to-trade-down/



Ah, the rare and mysterious "double bust". What's that, a 1st, 2nd and 3rd pretty much up in smoke? Nice. We'll be lucky to get some late round junk picks in return.
So much for my positive outlook of them potentially working in a 3-4. Not gonna happen.
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Confirming what I already believed:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=090...s&confirm=true

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ENGLEWOOD, Colo. -- The private workout that USC quarterback Mark Sanchez had with Denver Broncos officials in Mission Viejo, Calif., likely will be the last time the strong-armed passer practices for the team.

Broncos coach Josh McDaniels suggested as much Friday when he said he doubts the team would move into the top 10 in the NFL draft Saturday. He unequivocally dismissed the notion of trading both of his first-round picks to make a move for any top-tier player.

The Broncos own the 12th and 18th selections Saturday, and they might have to move ahead of the Seattle Seahawks at No. 4 to have a shot at Sanchez.
Now this is more interesting:

http://www.broncosradionetwork.com/main.html

Listen to the Schefter interview. He basically said it was a fact that they were trying to move from 18 to 13-15 and his guess regarding the target was Knowshon Moreno.

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well that makes it official IMO. Sanchez will be a Bronco, and we will trade both this year's firsts, and both of next year's to do it.
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I'm cool with trading up a little for Moreno, but not cool with trading up in to the top 10 for Sanchez. As long as we get a studly defensive guy.
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Mike Klis was on KOA earlier and he indicated that the Broncos were planning to sit at 12 and had identified 5 prospects they were comfortable taking at that pick - 2 of which they were confident would be there (slight reaches due to scheme fit?).

Any guesses as to who the mysterious 5 are?
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Any guesses as to who the mysterious 5 are?
After seeing the media this morning, I'll partly answer my own question. According to the Denver Post:

1. Raji
2. Jackson
3. Ayers

The others? Perhaps:

4. Moreno
5. a USC LB (Cushing would make sense in a hybrid 4-3 / 3-4)

Of course, I saw something a few minutes ago that we were trading a 1st for Brady Quinn, so who the hell really knows? Thankfully, all this smoke will soon be cleared...
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fantasy question guys.

Is Knowshon Moreno gonna be the feature back? Or will he split carries with Hillis?
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fantasy question guys.

Is Knowshon Moreno gonna be the feature back? Or will he split carries with Hillis?
I think he'll split mainly with Buckhalter... until Buck gets hurt (which is probably inevitable). That will open the door to Moreno being the feature back. You've also got Jordan and Torain floating around as well.

Hillis will leech some carries, but I'd be more concerned about how many scores he grabs up, particularly in the red zone. A bulldozer with soft hands is a very nice weapon close to the goal line...
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I think he'll split mainly with Buckhalter... until Buck gets hurt (which is probably inevitable). That will open the door to Moreno being the feature back. You've also got Jordan and Torain floating around as well.

Hillis will leech some carries, but I'd be more concerned about how many scores he grabs up, particularly in the red zone. A bulldozer with soft hands is a very nice weapon close to the goal line...
so in your opinion, would you draft him #16 overall, or is he not worth the "reach"?

I don't pick again until 32 picks later, so theres no chance of him falling that far, or any quality rbs for that matter. So my current plan is to "reach" for 2 quality RBs with picks 16 and 17.
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so in your opinion, would you draft him #16 overall, or is he not worth the "reach"?
To put things into context, here are some blurbs re: Moreno coming out of TC that might be useful...

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1) Moreno got a lot of reps, it looks like he is going to play catch up. In 1 on 1's he got the better of DJ 3 times. First, a nice juke move left DJ grasping for air. The second time, he lowered his shoulder and stood DJ up. The third time he got around him too. In 7 on 7's he made a nice read, one cut and broke away, for what would have been a HUGE gain if not a TD. There is a lot to be excited about with this kid.
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Knowshon's talent is quite easy to see but he still needs a lot of work on his vision as he missed a few cutback lanes and also fumbled while going to the ground. He runs the prettiest routes by a RB I've ever seen. He's already splitting carries on the 1st team with Buckhalter - who had another solid, but unspectacular, practice - although Jordan and Torain were out. With Moreno back, Hillis isn't getting nearly as many reps at HB and is mostly being used at FB and occassionaly split out wide.
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RB: Moreno looks great. He did all the things I expected him to do well (Catch, block and make guys miss in space). There was a blitz where the safety came through and Moreno nailed and pushed him back. There was not a lot of pressure at all this practice so the protection in general was very good. Buckhalter had a hard time getting a lot of runs up the middle this time. Hillis had a few good plays. They used him on a double screen once and he made some nice moves after the catch. They move him around quite a bit and let him run, catch and block. I think despite depth chart that Hillis will be heavily utilized in this offense.
IMO, if Moreno can overcome the usual challenges for rookie RB's (knowing his assignments, ball security, pass protection), I think he'll take over the #1 spot sooner rather than later. Buck's injury history also factors in here. However, Moreno won't ever be "the guy" as McD is definitely going to use of his stable of backs.

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I don't pick again until 32 picks later, so theres no chance of him falling that far, or any quality rbs for that matter. So my current plan is to "reach" for 2 quality RBs with picks 16 and 17.
I like that end spot in a snake draft, but it does sometimes create some tough decisions.

If your scoring system gives RB's points for receptions / receiving yards, then I like Moreno at 17 - but accepting that your are rolling the dice in terms of how much Buckhalter ends up factoring in. Obviously, if it's a keeper league then that's even better as Moreno's got a whole career ahead of him (however, I suspect this is not the case).
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