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Old 04-28-2011, 01:34 AM    (permalink
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No way Fairley lasts to #10. It won't happen. Mason Foster to Denver at #46 sounds about right, though.
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I also don't like the idea of picking a SLB at #2, and then having to change our defense to fit his strengths. Sounds like a terrible idea.

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The pick works for me. I was a little surprised we weren't able to work a trade down, but after hearing John Fox's post-draft comments, it really doesn't sound like they expected, or even wanted, to move down.

I missed the first part of the presser so I don't know if there were any scheme questions asked... but the pick says to me that Dennis Allen is building a pressure defense more along the lines of what we saw in NO than Fox's traditional 4-3 cover 2.
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The pick works for me. I was a little surprised we weren't able to work a trade down, but after hearing John Fox's post-draft comments, it really doesn't sound like they expected, or even wanted, to move down.

I missed the first part of the presser so I don't know if there were any scheme questions asked... but the pick says to me that Dennis Allen is building a pressure defense more along the lines of what we saw in NO than Fox's traditional 4-3 cover 2.
Arguments about value at #2 aside - we got a fantastic prospect at a position we are atrocious at.

I am very interested to see what happens with our next two picks, as DT, OT, RB, TE, and who knows what else are all possibilities.
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Anyone else think Von Miller looks like Steve Urkel?
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I am very interested to see what happens with our next two picks, as DT, OT, RB, TE, and who knows what else are all possibilities.
Here's the list im sure we're running with for #46
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Arguments about value at #2 aside - we got a fantastic prospect at a position we are atrocious at.
If Miller was a traditional 4-3 LB, then the positional value would be dubious (a la Aaron Curry). But he's not. If we use him heavily as a pass rusher/blitzer in a hybrid 4-3/3-3-5, the positional value is just fine.

In terms of talent, he's right at the top of the pile with Peterson.

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Look for muscle inside on defense. We've got lots of edge rush. Now we need a big bull or two to push the pocket back and stop the run.

I don't think TE will happen tomorrow - Rudolph will probably end up in St Louis and I think our 3rd rounder will probably go to addressing some other offensive position (OG, RB).

The RB situation is very interesting - there's lots of depth and the teams in the first half of the second look like they have other fish to fry (QB, DT, WR, CB). Looks like there's going to be some very nice value to be had from the late 2nd - 4th.

Look for a trade back from 36. The team wants another pick or two in the 3rd - 5th range.
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Seeing Von and Elvis on 3rd downs is going to be entertaining. Hard to get upset with this pick.

I wonder if we grab Bowers tomorrow too.
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I wonder if we grab Bowers tomorrow too.
I have to believe there is something *seriously* wrong with his knee to free fall out of round 1. If the doctor says "his knee's shot", is drafting him at any point a wise idea?
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Chiefs fan here, I'm glad you guys didn't get Dareus, however I'm dreading the thought that Denver may come away with Miller and Bowers in the first 2 rounds. If Bowers can recover from his knee deal, and if Dumerville can recover you guys will have a sick pass rush.
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Hey Packers fan here. All of you moaning. Would you rather have Von Miller and Marvin Austin (two blue chip players) or Dareus and a rubbish OLB??

Now your gonna have two future probowlers. You cant complain.
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this honestly scares me. if we trade back from 36, i'm guessing we miss on every single decent DT prospect left, and are left having to overdraft a 3rd/4th round guy at the end of the second just to actually come away with a body at the position (then again, i really dislike the 9-13 guys in scott's rankings). better to drop back from 46, imo.
Fair enough. It will certainly be interesting to see how this plays out. Two DT's in the next 3 picks would certainly win over the masses... but I'd really like to see a potential MLB creep in here as well.
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xanders, again.

irrelevant of my feelings on this year's draft, i have no idea why he's still employed.
A great friend of mine is a Broncos fan, and his thinking is along your lines. He also thought with McDaniels gone things would get better draft wise. I hope you guys end up with some combination of Paea and Austin/Ballard/Casey or even McClain in the second round. That way Williams and Miller have some protection in front of them. I do think that with the depth at DT (especially 4-3 types) it wasnt horrible to pass on Dareus, but I liked his fit in the 4-3 better than Millers. As we learned last year (and the year before) pass rushers are useless when the opposing team runs the ball down your throat.
We have Modrak here who I feel the same way about, not sure how he has made it through the last decade with a job.
Regardless, this is the first time in almost 2 decades the Bills took the guy I thought was best for them, and wanted myself. I hope Xander and Co. do it right in the second round for you all.
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I do think that with the depth at DT (especially 4-3 types) it wasnt horrible to pass on Dareus, but I liked his fit in the 4-3 better than Millers. As we learned last year (and the year before) pass rushers are useless when the opposing team runs the ball down your throat.
3-tech run stoppers can be found elsewhere in the draft. This kind of elite explosiveness Miller brings to the table cannot.

I'm anticipating the 3-3-5 and 46 experience Dennis Allen brings will be integrated into the new defensive scheme. Miller will get plenty of opportunity to attack (while still having a credible all-around game).
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i'm really hoping that we pass on bowers. his knee issue is obviously very serious, and we'd be neglecting to take an inside player.

that being said, marvin austin may be the one guy that i want the least. the dude is the second coming of marcus thomas, and i have a gut feeling that we're going to take him. *knock on wood*
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that being said, marvin austin may be the one guy that i want the least. the dude is the second coming of marcus thomas, and i have a gut feeling that we're going to take him. *knock on wood*
I'm thinking Jarvis Jenkins from Clemson might be our DT in the second. Big guy, stout at the point, decent bull rusher, good instincts.

Another guy to keep an eye on is Martez Wilson. He strikes me as a John Fox LB - fast, athletic. If he slides to 46, he may end up a Bronco.

EFX have been clear that they aren't going to reach, so look for high talent selections even if the need and scheme fits seem somewhat dubious.
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I can see the resemblance there. Urkel's chin is longer and narrower though.
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I know that the masses will be appalled at the lack of a DT so far in the draft - however, I actually think this is going well. Von Miller, Irving, DJ Williams as our LBs are a good fit for this type of defense, and Moore gives us a safety that can create turnovers. Add in a road-grader replacement for Harris, which is key considering we are going back to a run-first offense.

They will all be starters and suit the type of schemes we will be playing.
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They will all be starters and suit the type of schemes we will be playing.
Which is exactly what Fox was talking about. S, MLB, SLB and one OL spot (RT or LG, depending on where they like Beadles best) were all positions where we lacked an obvious long term starter... and now they've all been solidly taken care of.

It will be interesting to see if there are some sleeper DT's they like tomorrow, or if they feel FA is the best way of addressing that position.
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I know that the masses will be appalled at the lack of a DT so far in the draft - however, I actually think this is going well. Von Miller, Irving, DJ Williams as our LBs are a good fit for this type of defense, and Moore gives us a safety that can create turnovers. Add in a road-grader replacement for Harris, which is key considering we are going back to a run-first offense.

They will all be starters and suit the type of schemes we will be playing.
i'm very happy as well. i think franklin might play lg and we'll kick beadles out to rt, though.

fox talked about coming away with four day one starters with our first four picks, and it looks like that came to fruition.
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