Denver Broncos Discussion - Page 84

Diehard · 01-24-2011, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by crossroads

Can't they talk to coaches on the superbowl teams during the bye week this week?

They can interview during that bye week, but couldn't finalize anything until the season is over.

njx9 · 01-24-2011, 01:08 PM

don't they still need the team's permission? which, i'd imagine, isn't real easy to get.

Diehard · 01-24-2011, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by njx9

don't they still need the team's permission? which, i'd imagine, isn't real easy to get.

Yes, you'd need to get permission first.

Diehard · 01-24-2011, 01:38 PM

After further research, I may be wrong. Those rules may only apply to filling HC vacancies.

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As there is an urgency to hire new head coaches for some non-playoff teams, the NFL does allow teams to request permission to interview a postseason participant's assistants during the wild card week for teams who have the bye that week. They can also request permission to do so during the first week of Super Bowl preparations as long as there is a two-week break between the conference championships and the Super Bowl. The team only has one chance to talk to the assistant coach, once permission is granted, before the coach's team is eliminated from the playoffs.

If it is only HC's, then we'll have to wait until after the Superbowl.

Cunningham · 01-24-2011, 01:38 PM

i'm keeping an eye on greg jones this week during the senior bowl. definitely seems like a potential pick for us in round 2.

VoiceofReason · 01-26-2011, 11:00 PM

dennis allen was named defensive coordinator on monday.. thoughts?

he was previously on the saints as the secondary coach, not to mention the saints were 4th in pass d. and tuesday ron milus (secondary) and richard smith (linebackers) were also signed onto the staff.

i wonder what this means for the whole 43/34 scheme?

njx9 · 01-26-2011, 11:21 PM

i said this in the other thread, but it means i want peterson even more now.

jCut · 01-27-2011, 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by njx9

i said this in the other thread, but it means i want peterson even more now.

With all of the front-seven talent on the board, why go corner?

njx9 · 01-27-2011, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by jCut

With all of the front-seven talent on the board, why go corner?

fairley is the only guy worth a top two pick for us. in a 43 look, we don't need a backup DE (behind ayers and doom), and you don't spend a top 2 pick on a 2 down defender. especially with the glut of 34 teams, getting good value at both the DE and the LB spots should be relatively easy later. there are no other DTs remotely worth a top 2 pick. further, when your team is this bad and you need every single defensive position (let's stop pretending that our cornerback position is any good even if champ comes back), you take the BPA. that's peterson, at this point (of course that may change over the next couple of months).

already mentioned bowers and fairley, but dareus took most of the year off, had one big game and suddenly we have to take him. that doesn't sound like every major DL bust ever. quinn didn't even play this year. there isn't a linebacker remotely worth our pick (unless, maybe, we stuck with a 34, but again, he'd be a backup at best).

from there, you can likely get a clayborn or bailey kind of player in the second, when the value matches with the draft position. same with any of the linebackers.

meanwhile, we either address CB in the first, or we spend a year hoping bailey comes back so we don't have to start syd'quan and goodman all year.

Diehard · 01-27-2011, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by VoiceofReason

i wonder what this means for the whole 43/34 scheme?

My guess: we'll run 4 man fronts (vs run/pass) and some 3-3-5 looks (mainly vs pass). Even though the 3-3-5 has 3 DL, it doesn't require the same kind of skillset as the rare-and-mysterious 3-4 NT. A 4-3 DT who can get some push on the pocket would be just fine.

To make this work, I suspect we'll be looking for some DB's who can tackle and DL who can rush the passer.

Timbathia · 01-27-2011, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Diehard

My guess: we'll run 4 man fronts (vs run/pass) and some 3-3-5 looks (mainly vs pass). Even though the 3-3-5 has 3 DL, it doesn't require the same kind of skillset as the rare-and-mysterious 3-4 NT. A 4-3 DT who can get some push on the pocket would be just fine.

To make this work, I suspect we'll be looking for some DB's who can tackle and DL who can rush the passer.

Gee it would be nice to have someone who could rush the passer besides Doom.

Trivia question - who is the only Bronco (besides Doom) to have more than 5.5 sacks in a season since 2004 (when Reggie Hayward had 10.5)?

njx9 · 01-27-2011, 04:31 PM

i think ayers will do fine when he's finally back in the position he should've been playing for the last two years if the worst gm combo in the league hadn't drafted him to play in the 34.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf) · 01-27-2011, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Timbathia

Gee it would be nice to have someone who could rush the passer besides Doom.

Trivia question - who is the only Bronco (besides Doom) to have more than 5.5 sacks in a season since 2004 (when Reggie Hayward had 10.5)?

Bertrand Berry?

Timbathia · 01-27-2011, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)

Bertrand Berry?

No, his 11.5 sacks in 2003 earned him a ticket straight out of Denver.

njx9 · 01-27-2011, 04:54 PM

i would've guessed 'trick question' because i think berry was pre-heyward.

EDIT: I was wrong. but it is a trick question, as there were 2.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf) · 01-27-2011, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Timbathia

No, his 11.5 sacks in 2003 earned him a ticket straight out of Denver.

Dang. I knew he was around there, missed him by a year I guess.

It couldn't be that you just read the career total by mistake instead of a season and you mean Jarvis Moss, right? No, because he has 3.5. Wow. Just realized how unbelievably pathetic that is. I'm stumped. Trevor Pryce? Just checked and nope. Damn.

Chris · 01-27-2011, 06:24 PM

(A) Bowers wouldn't be playing behind Ayers if he was selected at #2 overall. I'm sort of baffled by comments like this. What has Ayers ever proved for this team on the field so far? Do you think when the staff is evaluating the players, he is listed as an irreplaceable starter? Get real.

(B) Dareus might not be worth it at #2, but if we needed a tackle on the inside, he fills the void. He played through the whole year with an injury and did quite well, and when he was healthy again he dominated.

(C) Xanders has already said we are going to take the BPA at a position of need. My guess is that it is going to be a front seven player. I would be absolutely fine with Peterson, but if Fairley goes #1, Denver is probably going to do their best to trade down or select one of the higher rated DL playrs before the run on top tier DL starts.

Timbathia · 01-27-2011, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)

Dang. I knew he was around there, missed him by a year I guess.

It couldn't be that you just read the career total by mistake instead of a season and you mean Jarvis Moss, right? No, because he has 3.5. Wow. Just realized how unbelievably pathetic that is. I'm stumped. Trevor Pryce? Just checked and nope. Damn.

Actually the career totals would be interesting over that period (and by interesting I mean pathetic). The guy I am asking about may actually have the second highest number of sacks by a Bronco over the past 7 years.

It really highlights how pathetic we have been at rushing the passer for the past 7 years. Everyone in the other forums keeps spouting off about how Doom will be no good to us when we go back to the 4-3, but truth be told when playing in a 4-3 he is light years ahead of anyone else we have had since the days of Pryce and Berry.

Chris · 01-27-2011, 07:22 PM

Elvis was able to produce with nobody around him in a 4-3. He probably won't do as well as he did in the 3-4, but whatever.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf) · 01-27-2011, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Timbathia

Actually the career totals would be interesting over that period (and by interesting I mean pathetic). The guy I am asking about may actually have the second highest number of sacks by a Bronco over the past 7 years.

It really highlights how pathetic we have been at rushing the passer for the past 7 years. Everyone in the other forums keeps spouting off about how Doom will be no good to us when we go back to the 4-3, but truth be told when playing in a 4-3 he is light years ahead of anyone else we have had since the days of Pryce and Berry.

Ebenezer Ekuban!

Timbathia · 01-27-2011, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris

Elvis was able to produce with nobody around him in a 4-3. He probably won't do as well as he did in the 3-4, but whatever.

17 sacks is pretty much out of the question, but 10 to 12 is certainly realistic.

Timbathia · 01-27-2011, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)

Ebenezer Ekuban!

Nice! Who would have thought a Brownco would be our second best pass rusher over the past 7 years.

njx9 · 01-27-2011, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)

Ebenezer Ekuban!

the alternate answer was kenard lang, fwiw.

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Originally Posted by Chris

(A) Bowers wouldn't be playing behind Ayers if he was selected at #2 overall. I'm sort of baffled by comments like this. What has Ayers ever proved for this team on the field so far? Do you think when the staff is evaluating the players, he is listed as an irreplaceable starter? Get real.

ayers was a 43 end when he came out, it was only due to mcdaniels idiocy that he had to play out of position. given that he was relatively highly rated, i have to imagine they want to give him a chance.

to be fair, this is partially based on my being unimpressed with bowers. at 6-10? i think he'd be a good pick. i'd think the same about dareus. but pretty much every DL this year just screams massive bust to me. fairley is an idiot on the field, as disruptive as he is. i think dareus is lazy. meh.

i think, in all likelihood, i'm completely wrong when it comes to draft day. but all of those players make me really nervous at 2.

Timbathia · 01-27-2011, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by njx9

the alternate answer was kenard lang, fwiw.

ayers was a 43 end when he came out, it was only due to mcdaniels idiocy that he had to play out of position. given that he was relatively highly rated, i have to imagine they want to give him a chance.

to be fair, this is partially based on my being unimpressed with bowers. at 6-10? i think he'd be a good pick. i'd think the same about dareus. but pretty much every DL this year just screams massive bust to me. fairley is an idiot on the field, as disruptive as he is. i think dareus is lazy. meh.

i think, in all likelihood, i'm completely wrong when it comes to draft day. but all of those players make me really nervous at 2.

Good call - forgot about Lang. I suppose it doesnt change the basic premise in that we are ******* hopeless at sacking people.

As long as we can get a legit DLine starter at the start of the second, I have no issue with Peterson at #2. Add in a legit LB starter with the Dolphins pick in the mid second, and we are in much better shape. I suppose the main unknown is how aggressive Fox will be in FA, as that could shape the draft more than anything.

DBNYDP · 01-27-2011, 08:59 PM

I think it makes a lot of sense to play Bowers + Ayers every down and use Doom as a situational pass rusher. Kick Bowers in on that play.