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hahaha....2 things-

Go read the Cowboys pass defense write up regarding Henry again, I think you missed something.

Yikes, how did I miss that one.
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I was trying to say that Campbell and Palmer had similar starts. People have compared players careers before.
It's a baseless comparison, the stats you pulled up mean next to nothing. As I said, that applies to so many Quarterbacks it's not even funny, you just want to use Carson because he's a successful QB that blossomed in a way that it's completely unrealistic to assume that Campbell will.

Plus the Jesus/Villa line was slammin'.
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It's a baseless comparison, the stats you pulled up mean next to nothing. As I said, that applies to so many Quarterbacks it's not even funny, you just want to use Carson because he's a successful QB that blossomed in a way that it's completely unrealistic to assume that Campbell will.

Plus the Jesus/Villa line was slammin'.
Yes it was .
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But you called them a great secondary, they are hardly good if that.

If you don't have a good secondary, you need a good pass rush unless your defense against the pass will be weak. Your secondary is average and your pass rush is horrid, end of argument.
And they are a great secondary. They have a solid #1 and 2 and Smoot and Macklin to be solid Nickels and dimes. Plus a pro bowl S and a potential pro bowler. Washington has 6 guys that can all do their job, and do it well.

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hahaha....2 things-

Go read the Cowboys pass defense write up regarding Henry again, I think you missed something.

And I think you have to take into account the lines of Washington and Philly. Samuels is the best OL of the two groups, but from LG to RT I'd take every Philly lineman.
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And they are a great secondary. They have a solid #1 and 2 and Smoot and Macklin to be solid Nickels and dimes. Plus a pro bowl S and a potential pro bowler. Washington has 6 guys that can all do their job, and do it well.
SOlid # 1 and # 2?

Neither Rogers or Springs can be a true #1 IMO. Smoot wasn't good enough for a team that was in need of a CB. Macklin was mediocre in Arizona. Taylor struggled last year.

Nothing about that secondary as a whole is great.
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I think Laron Landry will be great, but I agree with you on the rest.
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Any word on what the Giants are going to be running on defense. Will they be attacking?
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Eagles-like from what I hear out of Spags.
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Eagles-like from what I hear out of Spags.
4 attacking defenses should make for some interesting games. All of the teams still have a TE that can stretch the seem...which makes it hard for us to match up our LB's against them. Bringing a safety up to man up...really hamstrings the defense leaving one guy deep in cover 1 or even cover 0 sometimes. Just because of this I think the Eagles have the best chance at the division. The best OL of the group.

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2- Cowboys, no loses and 3 key offseason additions
3- Redskins, Dockery will hurt
4- Giants, how will Mannings backside be

This is the key to the division in my eyes.
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SOlid # 1 and # 2?

Neither Rogers or Springs can be a true #1 IMO. Smoot wasn't good enough for a team that was in need of a CB. Macklin was mediocre in Arizona. Taylor struggled last year.

Nothing about that secondary as a whole is great.
Washington doesnt need Smoot or Macklin to be #1's or 2's.
Macklin and Smoot were mediocre as starters, but not backups.
Rogers is still young and is still developing, and Springs is on the way down but can still play #2
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Washington doesnt need Smoot or Macklin to be #1's or 2's.
Macklin and Smoot were mediocre as starters, but not backups.
Rogers is still young and is still developing, and Springs is on the way down but can still play #2
So who is this "solid #1" you speak of?

Please don't say Rogers is a solid #1 CB.
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1. Giants (10-6)- much easier schedule, Eli should improve, defense should improve, and provided we dont get killed with injurys, we should be a good team whos gonna surprise a lot of people next year.

2. Cowboys (10-6)- I think Romo is gonna sputter a bit, but the Cowboys are good enough besides that to make the playoffs.

3. Eagles (9-7)- Mcnabb is a huge question mark. Im not sold that he is gonna be unaffected by all these injurys. In addition he wasnt winning games before going down next year. plus another injury wouldnt surprise me

4. Redskins (7-9)- I think they are gonna be a little better then last year. they should be a solid enough team and would probably contend for a wildcard if not in the East.

How is McNabb a question mark but Eli isn't? Coughlin is ruining Manning's development and he's only going to screw it up more for him. There's no way the Giants finish first in the division without Tiki Barber. That team is finishing somewhere between 6-10 and 8-8 and Coughlin is going to be fired.
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How is McNabb a question mark but Eli isn't? Coughlin is ruining Manning's development and he's only going to screw it up more for him. There's no way the Giants finish first in the division without Tiki Barber. That team is finishing somewhere between 6-10 and 8-8 and Coughlin is going to be fired.
As much of a concern is about the QB situation and the RB situation I still think Eli's backside is the biggest question mark going into TC.
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SOlid # 1 and # 2?

Neither Rogers or Springs can be a true #1 IMO. Smoot wasn't good enough for a team that was in need of a CB. Macklin was mediocre in Arizona. Taylor struggled last year.

Nothing about that secondary as a whole is great.
Taylor did match up against #1 receivers a lot though last season.
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How is McNabb a question mark but Eli isn't? Coughlin is ruining Manning's development and he's only going to screw it up more for him. There's no way the Giants finish first in the division without Tiki Barber. That team is finishing somewhere between 6-10 and 8-8 and Coughlin is going to be fired.
i agree. Barber was an amazing running back and missing him would be a big issue. GRF you say eli should progress but that is not guaranteed. its very possible he says where he is or even regresses.

another fine point to ponder that BBD said before, look at how all 4 defenses are now aggressive defenses. Now look at the offenses run, the eagles with their WCO have the advantage in this respect compared to the opposing defensives.
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i agree. Barber was an amazing running back and missing him would be a big issue. GRF you say eli should progress but that is not guaranteed. its very possible he says where he is or even regresses.

another fine point to ponder that BBD said before, look at how all 4 defenses are now aggressive defenses. Now look at the offenses run, the eagles with their WCO have the advantage in this respect compared to the opposing defensives.
The WCO might have the advantage...but jamming a WR on the line would lower it's effectiveness. I think the OL is the biggest factor in this division. If you can stop or delay the rush...the qb's can make plays.
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The WCO might have the advantage...but jamming a WR on the line would lower it's effectiveness. I think the OL is the biggest factor in this division. If you can stop or delay the rush...the qb's can make plays.
yeah i agree that oline play is important, but the eagles also have an excellent line also
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yeah i agree that oline play is important, but the eagles also have an excellent line also
I said that about 8 posts ago man.
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I said that about 8 posts ago man.
did you know that the eagles have a good o line?
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How is McNabb a question mark but Eli isn't? Coughlin is ruining Manning's development and he's only going to screw it up more for him. There's no way the Giants finish first in the division without Tiki Barber. That team is finishing somewhere between 6-10 and 8-8 and Coughlin is going to be fired.

Well, Eli hasnt had a terrible season yet. in fact he has had exactly the same (solid) number of TDs/INTs 2 years in a row. even with major injuries on offense last year.


I think the chances of Eli being less then a decent starter are slim, while the chances of Mcnabb getting injured yet again, are high.
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now that smoot is back in washington in a defense that he loves and knows...i think his performance will go back up to what it was like in 01-04, he'll be very solid for #2 or 3 corner

and rogers can handle #1's, may not be the greatest or even great but he will handle them.
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