New Orleans Saints Discussion

[SugarSean]

Originally Posted by *** Ork Wang

yes. Pierre Thomas had 200 yards against the Bears, and i saw them play. He is a nice RB, kinda does what Deuce did 2 years ago. But nothing special at all.

******* Pierre sparks the rush offense. But he is NOTHING Special. Brees makes that team. There is no game Pierre Thomas won them

WTF are u talking about? Pierre won them the game today. On the post-game show he was declared the player of the game. NOT Brees. And the one game you saw of Thomas was his first career start, in which he had 100+ rushing and 100+ receiving and your take on him is that he is nothing special? No saint has ever done that before and that was the impression he left on you? You're comin on here and commenting on a thread where you've only seen the player in question play ONE time. Just watch the guy play. There are subtleties to the game of football that can't be measured in stats. Strength, size and speed doesn't always make a great runningback. He does all the little things that make an rb great. Just like before the draft when I was the only one saying that Matt Forte would be a very successful tailback, while everyone else (Scott Wright included) compared him to Jacob Hester and call him a fullback or fullback/tailback hybrid, I actually watch the guy play so I can accurately get a read on his talent. As the season goes on more and more people will start to realize that the guy is special. Remember where you heard it first.

[Gay Ork Wang]

it was the Bears. The bears were ******* horrible last year. I couldve done that against the bears.

And no i havent seen him only 1 time. I saw the Saints in both TB games, the Denver game, and the SD game. He was a nice RB, a really good compliment to Bush. But he was nothing special. U know whats special? LT. Westbrook. A RB that is carrying his team. He is playing on a pass first team. Has nice stats. So how can u say he doesnt benefit from Brees and teh #1 ranked pass offense? EVERYONE would benefit from that.

[SugarSean]

Originally Posted by Paranoidmoonduck

Why wouldn't a situation when they're running behind an offensive line that's performing the same, against the same defense, in the same part of the year mean a whole lot? We haven't had many chances to see the two perform alongside each other. Besides, this was easily Pierre's best game all season. If you're using past performances and ignoring this game as simply one occurence, what evidence are you using that he makes this offense go?

This game is not being ignored, my point is that its a part of a sample. Today's game is not the end all be all. I'm looking at the overall picture and you're simply using a game, which Pierre was far more productive, to prove that Bush is successful in the offense.

[Gay Ork Wang]

so how about the other things Bush has done this year? IMO Bush is more valuable to the team than Thomas. Not to the rushing game but the Offense

[SugarSean]

Originally Posted by *** Ork Wang

so how about the other things Bush has done this year? IMO Bush is more valuable to the team than Thomas. Not to the rushing game but the Offense

Again...wholeheartedly disagree. Bush's ypc is down and his drops are up greatly this year. If you watch the saints play then you would easily see this. I, too, loved Bush comin out of college but the guy aint the same player. Zero toughness. Zero ability as a runner. Minimal receiving ability. Down there with T.O. and Colston for having the worst hands this year. An accurate comparison for him would be Jamaal Charles with a bigger contract and much less running ability. His only value has been as a punt returner this year. What else exactly has Bush done this year?

[Gay Ork Wang]

jesus christ, how many times: Ive seen the saints play. He is a good safety valve for Brees if nothing is open downfield. I mean there is a reason he has 9 TDs even though he missed 4 games. He didnt have a good game against the Tampa Buccs but he was coming back from an injury.

Ok Im an avid Saints fan I put Sugar Sean( who is an avid cowgirls fan) on P-AIR Thomas 2 years ago before he ever got a regular season carry and said he was the best running basck on the saints roster.. He is head and shoulders above Reggie Bust(who is nothing more than a glorified 3rd down back and special teamer... Pierre Thomas is an up and coming Brian Westbrook and given the oppurtunities Westbrook gets Pierre would outperform him.. Half of you in here prolly have never seen PT play you just think hes an average joe because ESPN doesnt blow him like they do their media darlings.. but understand this Pierre Thomas is a top 5 NFC talent and if Sean Payton( who is the worst NFL Head Coach bar none) lets him get his touches you will all be eatin crow... trust that

[Gay Ork Wang]

hahahaha outperform Westbrook hahahahaha hahahahahaha hahahahaha

and Sugar Sean you trying to enlighten these dudes from what it looks like they are un enlightenable but YOU remember where you heard it 1st son

Reggie Bush is the worst RB in the league by the way him and Julius Jones are what and what... Id much rather have Leon Washingtn than Reggie Bush.. I watch every saints game.. Bush is the most bytch made untough football player in the league.. if he doesnt get wide open field hes useless.. Pierre is the real deal and will be the staple of our offense for years to come... once the anaylsts and so-called experts start jockin him dont come jump on the bandwagon

[Gay Ork Wang]

is this sugersean with a 2nd account?

[Paranoidmoonduck]

Originally Posted by SugarSean

This game is not being ignored, my point is that its a part of a sample. Today's game is not the end all be all. I'm looking at the overall picture and you're simply using a game, which Pierre was far more productive, to prove that Bush is successful in the offense.

I would actually point to the 600 yards and 6 touchdowns he racked up in his first 6 games this season to prove that Bush is successful in this offense.

[Menardo75]

He is a great contributer to the team. He is a nice inside runner that is a nice complement to a power running back. He also has great hands out of the back field and, a nice kick returner.

[wicket]

C.mon guys I think if we win out we'll have a great chance at going to the playoffs. With the insainly tough remaining scedule for both carolina and dallas they ought to drop a few games. It would suck so much getting 10-6 and seeing some 9-7 weak ass team like chicago or arizona (who only have a winning record cause they play their own division) making it to the playoffs

[bearsfan_51]

Originally Posted by wicket

C.mon guys I think if we win out we'll have a great chance at going to the playoffs. With the insainly tough remaining scedule for both carolina and dallas they ought to drop a few games. It would suck so much getting 10-6 and seeing some 9-7 weak ass team like chicago or arizona (who only have a winning record cause they play their own division) making it to the playoffs

Hah. This weak ass team has beaten you the last two times, and probably will again.

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by vikes_29

totally called that before he was drafted. not even lieing

You don't pick up sarcasm well.

[diabsoule]

Originally Posted by bearsfan_51

Hah. This weak ass team has beaten you the last two times, and probably will again.

It's very possible. We don't play well in Chicago in winter.

[Geo]

http://blogs.nfl.com/2008/12/11/sain...ew-york-teams/

Adam Schefter
Saints won’t extend Vilma, to detriment of NY teams

Had New Orleans resigned linebacker Jonathan Vilma to a long-term contract extension this season, or even shortly thereafter, two New York teams would have benefited.

First, the conditional fourth-round pick the Saints traded to the Jets for Vilma would have become a second-round pick.

And if that Vilma trade with the Jets had involved a second-round pick, then the Saints would have been forced to compensate the New York Giants with a first-round pick for tight end Jeremy Shockey.

But New Orleans can exhale. The Saints did not resign Vilma, and will not attempt to do so until he becomes a free agent, thus the value the Jets and Giants receive now can be determined.

The conditional fourth-round pick the Saints traded to the Jets for Vilma will become a third-round pick in 2009. The Jets used the Saints fourth-round pick in 2008, but they will have to return a fourth-round pick to New Orleans this April.

And while the Jets get the Saints third-round pick, the Giants will get New Orleans’ second-round pick for Shockey.

So the Saints now are scheduled to have their first-round pick, and two fourth-round picks, with no second- or third-round picks.

[diabsoule]

Originally Posted by Geo

http://blogs.nfl.com/2008/12/11/sain...ew-york-teams/

Ouch. I can understand why we're not going to extend him, however, I'm just hoping he doesn't leave through FA. He's been a leader on our D and has had a hell of a season.

My hope now is that we will trade down in the draft and try pick up a 3rd round pick from someone.

[AlexDown]

Interesting.

I haven't seen him play at all this year unfortunately.

[diabsoule]

They probably already have a contract in place for him to sign whenever he does his free agency and this is a way just to keep from handing over those draft picks.

It's not a terrible idea but it's also risky. He's the type of MLB we've needed for years and he'll become better too as we add more talent to our front seven. We're only a DT and OLB away from having a very good to great front seven.

[saintsfan912]

Hopefully he understands what the front office is trying to do. I'm sure they expressed to him that he is in our long term plans but we need our picks as well to improve the team.

[CJSchneider]

OK, I still see us trying to trade down though.
1,4,4,7 + compensatory picks. Not optimal when you look at the number of key injuries we had this year.

[SaintsMan]

Trade down and pick a Safety. Derek Pegues maybe?

[CJSchneider]

Originally Posted by SaintsMan

Trade down and pick a Safety. Derek Pegues maybe?

I think he would be available in the late 2nd.