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Old 04-25-2010, 10:47 AM    (permalink
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I honestly don't think I've ever rooted for a UM player more than I've rooted for Brandon Graham. Him and Charles Woodson are basically 1 and 1A as my favorite Wolverines of all-time. I've seen Graham bust his ass in the fourth quarter of a 891-3 game just because he's not a quitter. I've seen Graham single-handedly give UM hope in games they had no business being in. I've seen Brandon Graham guarantee victory and while UM didn't win, I'll be damned if it wasn't because of Brandon Graham. He steps his game up when it matters most. I've never seen Brandon Graham not smiling at some point. Not after 3-9, not after NCAA allegations across the board, not after 5-7, not after playing with nobody who's even in the same stratosphere as him in terms of pure ability. He made a team that went 8-16 in the past two years worth watching just because of the passion, energy, effort, heart and character that he brought to the table. Despite being doubled and tripled every game, Graham still managed to kill people. He's taken down Terrelle Pryor in the open field, decapitated Glenn Winston, almost hawked Javon Ringer down from 60 yards out in a foot race despite weighing over 60 pounds more, abused Bryan Bulaga like a red-headed stepchild, and gave me a reason to tune in every week. People ask me why I'm such a passionate UM fan. Brandon Graham is one of the biggest reasons anyone could be a UM fan. He's the epitome of a class act. He never complains, he's always smiling, he's always showing up and doing the dirty work even when he doesn't get a sack or a TFL, he's never been in trouble, and any person that I've ever heard that has met Graham speaks glowingly about him.

Yeah, I kind of like this pick.
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I, being from Detroit, and being able to attend Two Michigan home games a year, have to agree. When you see the Wolverines D, you always saw Grahams motor running even when the play was not in his direction. Quality guy and hard worker, oh and did I mention he from Detroit?
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Gotta say as an outsider you guys got 3 of my favorite players: Graham, Teo-Nesheim and Cooper.....any room left on the wagon?
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I like Graham as a player, and he has great hustle, but I don't think he will be a game-changing impact player or anything like that.

He isn't nearly as athletic as some of the other guys his size who made an impact like Lamarr Woodley or Dwight Freeney. I'd love to be proven wrong, but I think his upside is average and his ceiling is probably "solid 8 sack / year guy".

The thing about the Eagles' draft was, yes, they could use a nice LDE, but I felt that after the release of Sheldon Brown and the signing of Daryl Tapp, picking DE in the first round was a luxury they couldn't afford. Why they didn't go for Earl Thomas or Kyle Wilson is a mystery to me when they clearly needed help in the secondary far more than they needed more bodies on the defensive line.
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He isn't nearly as athletic as some of the other guys his size who made an impact like Lamarr Woodley or Dwight Freeney. I'd love to be proven wrong, but I think his upside is average and his ceiling is probably "solid 8 sack / year guy".
8 sacks would have tied for 20th in the league last year. Most definitely above average, especially when you factor in his run defense.

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If they don't carry similar grades in the Eagles' eyes, there's no need to take them. Thomas and Wilson both have their warts, too. Thomas is an average tackler at best and that's a trait that can't be average in this division. I always saw Thomas as a late first-round pick and I felt the hype on him got to be a bit much. Wilson is a small corner who lacks experience against top competition. Plus, if the Eagles were set on going DE/DB in the first and second, the combo of Graham and Allen is better than the potential combo of say, Thomas and Dunlap/Griffen/Worilds.
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No, Thomas and Worilds would have wrecked ish :).

But Graham and Allen is a great pair.
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I honestly don't think I've ever rooted for a UM player more than I've rooted for Brandon Graham. Him and Charles Woodson are basically 1 and 1A as my favorite Wolverines of all-time. I've seen Graham bust his ass in the fourth quarter of a 891-3 game just because he's not a quitter. I've seen Graham single-handedly give UM hope in games they had no business being in. I've seen Brandon Graham guarantee victory and while UM didn't win, I'll be damned if it wasn't because of Brandon Graham. He steps his game up when it matters most. I've never seen Brandon Graham not smiling at some point. Not after 3-9, not after NCAA allegations across the board, not after 5-7, not after playing with nobody who's even in the same stratosphere as him in terms of pure ability. He made a team that went 8-16 in the past two years worth watching just because of the passion, energy, effort, heart and character that he brought to the table. Despite being doubled and tripled every game, Graham still managed to kill people. He's taken down Terrelle Pryor in the open field, decapitated Glenn Winston, almost hawked Javon Ringer down from 60 yards out in a foot race despite weighing over 60 pounds more, abused Bryan Bulaga like a red-headed stepchild, and gave me a reason to tune in every week. People ask me why I'm such a passionate UM fan. Brandon Graham is one of the biggest reasons anyone could be a UM fan. He's the epitome of a class act. He never complains, he's always smiling, he's always showing up and doing the dirty work even when he doesn't get a sack or a TFL, he's never been in trouble, and any person that I've ever heard that has met Graham speaks glowingly about him.

Yeah, I kind of like this pick.
I love these kind of players, hopefully we'll see him crushing McNabb, Romo and Eli in the fourth quarter soon.
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Is Urlacher your go to comparison for everyone? Didn't you compare Stewart Bradley to him as well? I'm high on Chaney, but not as high as you. But you're right he can cover and that is going to be a nice change after watching Jeremiah Trotter and Chris Gocong this past season. But Chaney tested extremely well at the combine, I think he could start right away. But the role I see him in this season is a nickel linebacker, play him at WLB on occassion, move him to SLB on obvious passing downs, kind of like what they did with Tracy White and Akeem Jordan last year.
No, I said he can turn and drop back like Urlacher, that's it. Bradley is a little more physical than Urlacher, and doesn't get as deep into coverage as Urlacher, or Chaney.
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I can understand that most of you guys think Jamar is going to be a WLB/ILB type, but I dont see it. He did start at WLB his freshman and sophomore year at Mississippi State, so I can understand the belief he will be a WLB.

I just dont agree with it. He is a very big at 6'1 240 lbs, and has great athleticism for that size. I think the most important thing is that he is very strong. Two of his strongsuits is stacking and shedding blocks and reading and reacting. I would say his weaknesses are tackling in the open field and pursuit angles.

Definitely could play SLB in our defense.
This is what I see., and what I had said in my other post. He may be short, but if you watch him play, he is very physical, especially in the run game, and is a great fit a SLB for this defense. The things I highlighted are what I see as his best attributes. He drops deep into coverage, and gets there fast, which is really the only thing that reminds me of Urlacher. I definitely think his tackling technique could use some tweaking, though he wraps up well, just goes a little high. I don't see his pursuit angles as being a huge problem, some of what you see can be attributed to his role for Mississippi State's defense, where he maintained gap responsibilities, but was still able to make the play further to the outside.
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I think Graham will have right around 8-10 sacks this year, and we could see him as a consistent double digit sack guy throughout his career. He is that good. As Sniper said, we seem to be ignoring half of his game, his ability to hold the POA, as well as shoot into the backfield and make plays on runs. He is a balanced DE, exactly what we want out of our LE, but the icing on the cake is his extra pass rush ability. As far as the questions about his athletecism, he was in the same range in the 40 as the other top DEs, and did pretty well throughout the rest of the combine. But those numbers don't do justice to how he is on the field.

Also, I have to say I like the Graham/Allen combo much better than a Thomas/other DE combo. Graham is the best fit of any DE in this draft for the Eagles and, as I've said before, will be the best DE in this class, IMO. Allen brings the same skillset to the secondary as Thomas, a little less range, but makes up for it in his tackling. He is a better open field tackler, by a healthy margin, and can be physical as well. Thomas would have been great, but eventually we'd be looking at him as the Asante Samuel of our Safeties, with his lack of tackling skills and desire.
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I like to refer to Allen as the jack of all trades, but the ace of none. Everything he does is good, but nothing really stands out about his game. I think he will have a marginal, noticeable impact, but thats not necessarily a bad thing.

I'm not sure how much time Brandon Graham will be seeing. I dont feel comfortable calling him a day 1 starter, but he could definitely see some quality reps.

Since we have a crowded LB corp now, I think Joe Mays is the 1st to go.
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I like to refer to Allen as the jack of all trades, but the ace of none. Everything he does is good, but nothing really stands out about his game. I think he will have a marginal, noticeable impact, but thats not necessarily a bad thing.

I'm not sure how much time Brandon Graham will be seeing. I dont feel comfortable calling him a day 1 starter, but he could definitely see some quality reps.

Since we have a crowded LB corp now, I think Joe Mays is the 1st to go.
Nah Allen is a good midfielder, he is decent in the run game.
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I like to refer to Allen as the jack of all trades, but the ace of none. Everything he does is good, but nothing really stands out about his game. I think he will have a marginal, noticeable impact, but thats not necessarily a bad thing.

I'm not sure how much time Brandon Graham will be seeing. I dont feel comfortable calling him a day 1 starter, but he could definitely see some quality reps.

Since we have a crowded LB corp now, I think Joe Mays is the 1st to go.
In a way I agree with this, but I'd change the wording to "very good at all things" instead, since that is reall how he is. He does have a knack for causing and recovering fumbles though, so that is one area where I see he stands out a bit.
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I like to refer to Allen as the jack of all trades, but the ace of none. Everything he does is good, but nothing really stands out about his game. I think he will have a marginal, noticeable impact, but thats not necessarily a bad thing.

I'm not sure how much time Brandon Graham will be seeing. I dont feel comfortable calling him a day 1 starter, but he could definitely see some quality reps.

Since we have a crowded LB corp now, I think Joe Mays is the 1st to go.
I agree, Joe Mays is the most likely cut. I don't think Clayton Keenan makes it either.
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I agree, Joe Mays is the most likely cut. I don't think Clayton Keenan makes it either.
Joe may stick around because of his ST ability, I think Gaither is the most likely one gone. Clayton may get IRed.
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I don't think Clayton Keenan makes it either. Keenan Clayton on the other hand has a pretty good shot. ;)

But on a serious note, I think he can replace Tracy White really well as that backup WLB/Special Teams ace. They do already have Sims/Jordan at WLB so it should be interesting to see what happens. I can't see them cutting a 4th round pick or risk him getting snatched up on the practice squad so I can definitely see him getting put on IR for a minor injury.
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Dang, I am actually kind of excited about Clayton. He is not big by any standards for a LB, but he is the same size as Ernie Sims and Akeem Jordan. Clayton is also quite the athlete, he has 4.57 speed, a 4.20-second 20-yard shuttle, a 6.85-second three-cone drill, a 41 inch vertical jump, 27 reps of 225 pounds and a 10-7 broad jump. He has long arms as well. And when Andy Reid described him he said:

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And I decided to look him up and he really did make a TON of plays. In his past 2 years of starting he defended 14 passes, forced 8 fumbles, had 7 hurries, 6 sacks and 3 interceptions. But really 8 forced fumbles in 2 seasons? That is really impressive.

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I think Omar sticks with the team. He can plsy two positiins, and that will keep him on the roster.
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I think Omar sticks with the team. He can plsy two positiins, and that will keep him on the roster.
I honestly do like Gaither, he's a versatile backup like old Mark Simoneau used to be.
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I think Omar sticks with the team. He can plsy two positiins, and that will keep him on the roster.
He does have versatility, but every other LB, outside of Hall and Sims, can play two positions, so it doesn't make much of a difference.
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He does have versatility, but every other LB, outside of Hall and Sims, can play two positions, so it doesn't make much of a difference.
Many of these guys are rookies, and gave a huge playbook to digest. But I'll admit he will have his hands full in TC.
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I saw a interview of Brandon Graham today. It was local tv, since he is from Detroit. The guy is a smooth individual, and classy guy. He said he will not disapoint in Philly and will make the team glad they drafted him. I cant wsit to see him in action in midnight green.
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I honestly don't think I've ever rooted for a UM player more than I've rooted for Brandon Graham. Him and Charles Woodson are basically 1 and 1A as my favorite Wolverines of all-time. I've seen Graham bust his ass in the fourth quarter of a 891-3 game just because he's not a quitter. I've seen Graham single-handedly give UM hope in games they had no business being in. I've seen Brandon Graham guarantee victory and while UM didn't win, I'll be damned if it wasn't because of Brandon Graham. He steps his game up when it matters most. I've never seen Brandon Graham not smiling at some point. Not after 3-9, not after NCAA allegations across the board, not after 5-7, not after playing with nobody who's even in the same stratosphere as him in terms of pure ability. He made a team that went 8-16 in the past two years worth watching just because of the passion, energy, effort, heart and character that he brought to the table. Despite being doubled and tripled every game, Graham still managed to kill people. He's taken down Terrelle Pryor in the open field, decapitated Glenn Winston, almost hawked Javon Ringer down from 60 yards out in a foot race despite weighing over 60 pounds more, abused Bryan Bulaga like a red-headed stepchild, and gave me a reason to tune in every week. People ask me why I'm such a passionate UM fan. Brandon Graham is one of the biggest reasons anyone could be a UM fan. He's the epitome of a class act. He never complains, he's always smiling, he's always showing up and doing the dirty work even when he doesn't get a sack or a TFL, he's never been in trouble, and any person that I've ever heard that has met Graham speaks glowingly about him.

Yeah, I kind of like this pick.

This is awesome stuff. What I can respect about you is that you keep it real about prospects, whether they play for the Eagles or Michigan, or if they play for a rival team or no, if their good or bad in your eyes you'll say so, the fact that you have always held Graham in high regards and ended him on the Eagles has got to be that much more sweet. I have no doubts about his talent, he's going to be dominant and sooner then later.


Curious though....When you guys traded up, did you assume it was for Earl Thomas as well? Watching ESPN they pretty much assumed a bit too soon and started talking about how Earl fits on Philly as if they already knew who it was for, it was no secret you guys may trade up for Earl but I guess everyone was shocked to see Graham go. I wasn't sure if you, or any of you other guys had any clue what was going on when you saw you move up.
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This is awesome stuff. What I can respect about you is that you keep it real about prospects, whether they play for the Eagles or Michigan, or if they play for a rival team or no, if their good or bad in your eyes you'll say so, the fact that you have always held Graham in high regards and ended him on the Eagles has got to be that much more sweet. I have no doubts about his talent, he's going to be dominant and sooner then later.


Curious though....When you guys traded up, did you assume it was for Earl Thomas as well? Watching ESPN they pretty much assumed a bit too soon and started talking about how Earl fits on Philly as if they already knew who it was for, it was no secret you guys may trade up for Earl but I guess everyone was shocked to see Graham go. I wasn't sure if you, or any of you other guys had any clue what was going on when you saw you move up.
I thought it was for Thomas, I really didn't think the Eagles were going to see DE as a big enough need, but as soon as Gooddell said "Brandon" I got pumped up.

And with getting Nate Allen at 37, I actually like that situation a lot better. than going with Thomas and then a DE.
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