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Old 02-28-2013, 05:54 PM    (permalink
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I'd cut all 3 of those losers.

Who was the Ok state LB we had again? I feel like he could compete at SLB but I'm not even seeing him on the team roster. Orie something? Did we cut him?
He was injured during the year and out for the season. He's an exclusive rights free agent and will compete in camp again in all likelihood. He isn't athletic enough IMHO to be the SLB and his read-and-reaction ability was to be abhorred.

I do like his intensity and willingness to get dug in though :)

As far as Free, Sensy, and Connor. Connor has been told he needs to agree to a pay-cut or he's leaving. Free will be competing for the RT job and if he loses will most likely be a June 1st cut. Sensy will most likely remain on the team due to lack of anything at FS. If we are cutting Sensy it has to be done by the start of the league year since his salary will be guaranteed.
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Orie Lemon, was one of the last cuts but he is on the practice squad I think.
No reason to overpay Connor with Albright and Lemon on the roster IMO. theyre younger, cheaper, and have more upside.

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He was injured during the year and out for the season. He's an exclusive rights free agent and will compete in camp again in all likelihood. He isn't athletic enough IMHO to be the SLB and his read-and-reaction ability was to be abhorred.

I do like his intensity and willingness to get dug in though :)

As far as Free, Sensy, and Connor. Connor has been told he needs to agree to a pay-cut or he's leaving. Free will be competing for the RT job and if he loses will most likely be a June 1st cut. Sensy will most likely remain on the team due to lack of anything at FS. If we are cutting Sensy it has to be done by the start of the league year since his salary will be guaranteed.
I thought Lemons problem was his effort on ST but was reportedly impressive in a defensive role in practice and spot duty. I know he made a few appearances in games when I thought he was ok.
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According to a source, Jay Ratliff will restructure his contract to help the Cowboys against the cap. It just hasn't happened yet.
Another offseason domino to fall. Hearing the same thing with Scandrick. We are going to have money to spend and could make a few moves especially after we give Tony a long-term contract.

Just a quick number crunch with the reported 123.9 million cap figure we could be looking at 17 million in cap room depending on the contract Tony signs.

One minute we can't sign anyone the next we can compete for the top tier. Have to love contracts and the way Stephen has them falling in line. This also puts the franchise tag back onto the table for Spencer and can be used as leverage to keep his salary average down if they are looking to resign for a long term deal.

Without that tag they had absolutely zero leverage on him.

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Another offseason domino to fall. Hearing the same thing with Scandrick. We are going to have money to spend and could make a few moves especially after we give Tony a long-term contract.

Just a quick number crunch with the reported 123.9 million cap figure we could be looking at 17 million in cap room depending on the contract Tony signs.

One minute we can't sign anyone the next we can compete for the top tier. Have to love contracts and the way Stephen has them falling in line. This also puts the franchise tag back onto the table for Spencer and can be used as leverage to keep his salary average down if they are looking to resign for a long term deal.

Without that tag they had absolutely zero leverage on him.
I'd franchise him for a few reasons. The first being that he isn't worth what he's set to make in a long term deal. The second being his transition from OLB to DE -- who knows how successful he'll be. It'll force him to play all out for the next team that wants him. And it buys the Cowboys another year to figure out what to do at DE.
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Another offseason domino to fall. Hearing the same thing with Scandrick. We are going to have money to spend and could make a few moves especially after we give Tony a long-term contract.

Just a quick number crunch with the reported 123.9 million cap figure we could be looking at 17 million in cap room depending on the contract Tony signs.

One minute we can't sign anyone the next we can compete for the top tier. Have to love contracts and the way Stephen has them falling in line. This also puts the franchise tag back onto the table for Spencer and can be used as leverage to keep his salary average down if they are looking to resign for a long term deal.

Without that tag they had absolutely zero leverage on him.
It is awesome to get under the cap to have money to sign some odds and ends along with our draft picks but at some point enough is enough. All that restructured money is becoming guaranteed money down the road and eventually Jerry is going to have to pay the piper. Spencer is a nice piece but is only going to cause more cap issues unless we plan to rent him for another season. The new NFL is all about draft and develop to stay relevant, we need to continue down that road and slowly shed these big contracts.
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Depending on what we do at DL, I think hatcher could slim down a bit and maybe play that DE opposite ware

Anybody think hatcher could trim down to about 290 and play some DE?
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Depending on what we do at DL, I think hatcher could slim down a bit and maybe play that DE opposite ware

Anybody think hatcher could trim down to about 290 and play some DE?
Not sure he has the speed coming off the edge on the pass rush. His power and quickness is better suited inside. I'm sure he could do it, but it's not ideal.

Obviously he can set the edge but I think speed around the corner would be the biggest deterrent from kicking him outside.
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Depending on what we do at DL, I think hatcher could slim down a bit and maybe play that DE opposite ware

Anybody think hatcher could trim down to about 290 and play some DE?
It has been brought up and he even acknowleged the possibility. He mentioned it in an interview, said he would like to play between 285lbs and 280 like he was in college if that was the case.
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It has been brought up and he even acknowleged the possibility. He mentioned it in an interview, said he would like to play between 285lbs and 280 like he was in college if that was the case.
Interesting.
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If Hatcher plays inside he might have to stay at about 295-300 pounds to deal with the pounding of taking on guards and centers. Hatcher is at 295 pounds now, but he would like to lose some weight if he plays off the edge.

"We can attack more now, so it won't be much different," Hatcher said. "I'm looking forward to it. That's the way I played in college, just get up field and attack people. I think that's something I'll benefit well from."
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Good find.

Maybe a good value could be someone like knighton. We would have ware, hatcher, Crawford and maybe Wilbur at DE.

Rat, liss, bass, Calloway, spears and maybe knighton at DT.

I think that's a pretty solid group, esp if Crawford takes a step forward. Marinelli is one of the best.
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And it would be nice if price bounces back. He's a talented kid.
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This change in scheme might be the best thing to happen to Spears. He should be able to battle Lissemore for the starting 1 tech. Ratliff is going to get a crack at being our Warren Sapp but he could easily play the Booker McFarland role if we draft a DT high.
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This change in scheme might be the best thing to happen to Spears. He should be able to battle Lissemore for the starting 1 tech. Ratliff is going to get a crack at being our Warren Sapp but he could easily play the Booker McFarland role if we draft a DT high.
Spears is what he is. A scrub.

I remember when we had Todd Grantham as D-line coach -- he was going to change Spears. Major fail.

After switching from Parcells 2-gaping to Wade attacking, that was gonna change things for Spears. Major fail.

Spears playing inside in the nickel. Major fail.

He's also a progress stopper that needs to be purged from the team. No way Bass/Callaway can't do AT LEAST what Spears does.

I understand the case to keep Sensabaugh, but there is no good reason for Spears to be on the team.

Glenn Dorsey is someone that I'm interested in. Big time failure, miscast in a 3-4, could turn his career around going back to the inside. Not sure what he would cost but I'd put a hell of a lot more hope in him making something of himself over spears.

****, I'd take Brian Price and his surgically repaired lower half over Spears at this point.
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So you are not real high on Spears?
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So you are not real high on Spears?
Lol. I couldn't believe he was even resigned. Why??? Why on earth.

At least Rob wasn't afraid to bench his ass. Pretty sure he was last on the depth chart and uncertain to make the team coming out of training camp, right?
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This change in scheme might be the best thing to happen to Spears. He should be able to battle Lissemore for the starting 1 tech. Ratliff is going to get a crack at being our Warren Sapp but he could easily play the Booker McFarland role if we draft a DT high.
Rat isn't explosive enough to be a 3-tech. The best pass rusher on our defensive line is Jason Hatcher and Kiffin already told him that he plans on utilizing him as either 3-tech or DE.

It's funny Ratliff was at his best in our defense when he split double teams and looked rather 'meh' when asked to beat a guard 1v1. Hatcher on the other hand playing 1v1 versus the left guard should give offensive coordinators nightmares.
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Lol. I couldn't believe he was even resigned. Why??? Why on earth.

At least Rob wasn't afraid to bench his ass. Pretty sure he was last on the depth chart and uncertain to make the team coming out of training camp, right?
Never understood it either. We kept Spears around while watching Canty and Bowen walk. We should have had one of the best 5tech duos in the league.

Bowen was the biggest mystery, he was the most talented lineman we had and he rode the bench.
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Never understood it either. We kept Spears around while watching Canty and Bowen walk. We should have had one of the best 5tech duos in the league.

Bowen was the biggest mystery, he was the most talented lineman we had and he rode the bench.
because both canty and bowen were better players and got big paydays, and wade phillips convinced jerry 3-4 ends were not that important you go cheap and sticks JAGS out there and be okay
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Bruce Carter is perfect fit for WLB. The team wouldn't move him to SLB to try and convert a safety to LB. that particular conversion is something you see in college when a guy continues to put on weight. I can't think of 1 successful example of an NFL safety moving to LB.

I'm not saying Matt Johnson is the answer. In fact, I'm skeptical. But when you have a guy like Sensabaugh playing you're hindering the growth of the team. When a player offers you NOTHING other than experience, it's time to try someone with more upside.

That may be Johnson, it may be a rookie, but he just has to go. I'd rather start Church & any of the top 5 safety prospects this year than Sensabaugh. Keeping him in the lineup is similar to when we refused to promote Kevin Burnett over Bradie James & Whoever even though he had more talent and upside than any of them. It's just stupid.

Or refusing to give Hatcher reps over Spears. That didnt happen until Rob Ryan came in and cut the ********.

Injuries aren't what they used to be. Guys are getting treatments these days that I doubt are legal and coming back good as new. A torn triceps at the beginning of the season would land you on IR 3-4 years ago. Now Ray Lewis comes back in 7 weeks?

Ruptured Achilles and Suggs is back for a few tune up games before playoffs?

Adrian Peterson has his best season ever as a pro.

RG3 is already running. He just tore his ACL how many weeks ago?

If Church is ahead of schedule, that can only be positive. The teams investment in him makes me think they aren't too concerned either.
there have been guys who moved safety to linebacker brian urlacher was safety in college who they moved to linebacker in nfl, thomas davis was safety coming out of georgia and they moved him to linebacker in his second year and he's been a good player when he's not hurt

yes injury recovery has improved over the last decade but an injury like achilles rupture most guys don't comeback just the way the were, suggs plays de pure speed isn't a big deal at that position, if church has lost just 1 step you'll have a safety with d-lineman speed trying to run with receivers, that would not be ideal situation imo

i not a sensabaugh fan myself and the cowboys do need to draft a safety early in the draft who can start right away but i would wait until training camp once you could that church or johnson can handle the position, then i would jettison sensabaugh i still the save the money i would even if i cut him now

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because both canty and bowen were better players and got big paydays, and wade phillips convinced jerry 3-4 ends were not that important you go cheap and sticks JAGS out there and be okay
Lol -- so true. Then Wade comes up on a player like JJ Watt and is like uhhhhh nevermind that stuff I said about DE's
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So with all this cap space being created, I'm thinking the Cowboys should make a play for the guy we could have and should have signed instead of Sensabaugh in the first place.

Dashon Goldson is apparently going to hit the open market. Good, young player. Would be an awesome addition to a team that sorely needs a playmaker at safety.

Would also allow the team to cut Sensabaugh and have Church/Johnson compete at SS, although if Church gets back healthy I doubt it'll even be a competition.

That would also leave the secondary with an awesome core group of guys. The LB's are in good shape. The only remaining question marks would be on the DL, which may be in better shape than I give it credit for.

IMO that's money better spent than a long term deal for Spencer. Or a collection of mid level FA's
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there have been guys who moved safety to linebacker brian urlacher was safety in college who they moved to linebacker in nfl, thomas davis was safety coming out of georgia and they moved him to linebacker in his second year and he's been a good player when he's not hurt

yes injury recovery has improved over the last decade but an injury like achilles rupture most guys don't comeback just the way the were, suggs plays de pure speed isn't a big deal at that position, if church has lost just 1 step you'll have a safety with d-lineman speed trying to run with receivers, that would not be ideal situation imo

i not a sensabaugh fan myself and the cowboys do need to draft a safety early in the draft who can start right away but i would wait until training camp once you could that church or johnson can handle the position, then i would jettison sensabaugh i still the save the money i would even if i cut him now
That's a fair and valid point. Church may never be the same, I guess I'm taking an optimistic approach to his recovery.

I just think recovery and success of surgeries improves every year. All these new plasma infusion and growth hormone treatments are bringing guys back better than ever. The Cowboys have a reputation for having a top of the line medical staff.

The fact that they gave him the extension after the injury makes me think something must have them feeling good about his chances to return to form.
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Bears franchised Melton. All the speculation about him reuniting with marinelli will end now.
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