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Old 05-27-2013, 06:53 PM    (permalink
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The poster has been reliable in the post for what it's worth. He has an actual picture of the draft board in that thread as well.

Saw this a little while ago but didn't want to post it out of a fear of arguments XD

The trade-down makes me a lot happier to be honest given how many first round grades we had available at 18. I was never a Floyd fan so I imagine that factors in for me as well.


For those who do not want to sift through the comments I'll toss up the text version of the board with the their draft slot after the name as he has in the comments in a spoiler.


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A guy over at BTB says he has a copy of our draft board. Highlights

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Rambo not on their board. Thomas was pegged for the 4th round, behind Cyprian, Wilcox, Gratz, and Swearinger, all 3rd round grades (in order)

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18 first round grades, 22 second round, 28 third round, 21 fourth, 28 fifth

Top of the 5th round
For Schwenke

Vast difference for whatever reason
Armstead not even on their board in the first 5 rounds of grades as far as I can find playing the where’s waldo game and reading through each name. No idea why. Williams was their 22nd overall talent (2nd round grade). Wilcox was mid 3rd round grade.
Bonus: Randle had a 3rd round grade. Bernard was 29th overall on their board (2nd round grade). Escobar 25th overall.

Datone Jones 3rd round grade, 9 spots behind Wilcox

Cowboys had Brandon MaGee with a 4th round grade and Devonte Holloman with a 5th round grade. Sharriff Floyd was 5th on their board. Sly Williams had a 2nd round grade. Travis Frederick and Terrance Williams were only 1 spot apart on their overall board.

Lattimore not on their board
Franklin had a high 5th round grade

High 3rd round for Brown
Warford not on their board.

Escobar was the highest on their board at 47 other than Terrance Williams.

Heres the link http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2013/...ys-draft-board

Further down he has a text version of our complete board along with a pic.

Good stuff
Well, the person who made the Board might be a meth head like Jerrah.
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Mike Fisher is reporting that the Cowboys and Anthony Spencer's reps are in fact working on a long-term agreement, seeing if they can come to something before the July 15th deadline. If nothing happens by that date, Spencer will play the year under the franchise tag amount of $10.6 million.

A long-term deal could theoretically cover the next two years of cap hit within this season. Any savings on this year's cap that goes unused rolls into extra money for next year's cap. So if his $10.6m hit is reduced based on signing bonus proration and low base salary, the rolled over savings could be used for Year 2 costs.
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Notes from OTA (tweets) JJ Wilcox ended practice with his 2nd pick of the day, one he took to the house. Phillip Tanner looked very natural in pass catching. Dez Bryant and Cole Beasley "couldn't be covered" in the first WR vs DB drills.

Ron Leary and David Arkin continued to rotate in at RG with the first team. Apparently, Costa is only getting work at C, and behind Frederick, who never rotated out of "first team".

DLine Depth Chart: RDE: Ware, Wilber, Sheffield, 3tech: Ratliff, Hatcher, Bass 1tech: Hatcher, Lissemore LDE: Spencer, Crawford.
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Notes from OTA (tweets) JJ Wilcox ended practice with his 2nd pick of the day, one he took to the house. Phillip Tanner looked very natural in pass catching. Dez Bryant and Cole Beasley "couldn't be covered" in the first WR vs DB drills.

Ron Leary and David Arkin continued to rotate in at RG with the first team. Apparently, Costa is only getting work at C, and behind Frederick, who never rotated out of "first team".

DLine Depth Chart: RDE: Ware, Wilber, Sheffield, 3tech: Ratliff, Hatcher, Bass 1tech: Hatcher, Lissemore LDE: Spencer, Crawford.
Hatcher at the 1? Hmm. I guess. It's really early, but that's an interesting place for him. Personally with all the quick DT's I'm hoping that they use a 3 tech and a 2 tech, but with Marinelli and Kiffin being great defensive minds I trust their judgement. I also like Crawford at DE. I really like his quickness from the outside.
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I couldn't be happier Leary is getting 1st team reps. It can't get much worse then last year inside and all the hype around him and how high we were on him should lead to him getting a shot. Once we bumped him up to active roster so Oakland couldn't poach him in November I knew all the off-season hype on him last year was legit.
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Mike Fisher is reporting that the Cowboys and Anthony Spencer's reps are in fact working on a long-term agreement, seeing if they can come to something before the July 15th deadline. If nothing happens by that date, Spencer will play the year under the franchise tag amount of $10.6 million.

A long-term deal could theoretically cover the next two years of cap hit within this season. Any savings on this year's cap that goes unused rolls into extra money for next year's cap. So if his $10.6m hit is reduced based on signing bonus proration and low base salary, the rolled over savings could be used for Year 2 costs.

We've got to stop re-signing everybody. Jesus. Look at all the young guys we probably want to lock up soon, and then we may as well forget about every being a player in free agency until Romo retires. I don't know why we are so afraid to just draft replacements, but this is why for the next 5-10 years we'll be up against the cap, restructuring deals every off-season.
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Hatcher at the 1? Hmm. I guess. It's really early, but that's an interesting place for him. Personally with all the quick DT's I'm hoping that they use a 3 tech and a 2 tech, but with Marinelli and Kiffin being great defensive minds I trust their judgement. I also like Crawford at DE. I really like his quickness from the outside.
Kiffin said expect them to rotate frequently. He said both guys are capable at both spots but the better player would be the 3-tech. Going into the regular season. This is going to be a full-camp battle. He has also said that the team is looking to emulate Seattle's defense which doesn't employ a 3-tech/1-tech system. It's a "left/right" scheme where it depends on the offensive formation.

If that's the case and it's a left/right scheme it doesn't matter which side you start on you'll get time throughout the game at both techniques.
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Number of players: We had heard before the draft that the Cowboys wanted to include only players on the board that they were sure they wanted, so they were working to develop a leaner, more "pure" board. This board has 132 players on it, which is actually pretty close to the one that leaked in 2010, which had 129 players.

Deep draft: We heard time and again that this was a deep draft, particularly in the second and third rounds. While Dallas' second round isn't overly populated, the third round is rich (and, somewhat surprisingly, so is the fifth).

Late rounds: It appears the team didn't feel there were many players deserving of sixth and seventh round designations. This makes sense, if we consider that they are trying to draft only players who have a legit chance to make the club. There are, however, a lot of guys on whom they are willing to take a chance: a bevy of names populate the "priority free agent" designations at the bottom of each position column.

Players not on the board: It looks like there are several categories of player not on the Cowboys board:

1. Injury or character scratches: First rounders Jarvis Jones, Alec Ogletree and Matt Elam aren't on Dallas board. Neither are RB Christine Michael, WRs Keenan Allen and Robert Woods, CBs Tyrann Matthieu and Therold Simon, or DE Sam Montgomery. Clearly, its still important that the players they draft are "RKGs." Further, the team seems to be moving away form selecting talented yet injury-prone players. Several guys with injury histories - Marcus Lattimore, or the aforementioned Jones, for example - are nowhere to be found.

2. Bad scheme fits. You'll notice that three big defensive tackles who received a lot of ink before the draft as possible fits at the one technique - Johnathan Hankins, John Jenkins and Montori Hughes - are not on the Cowboys board. Jesse WIlliams? Nope. As the guys who were on the board suggest, Kiffin and Co. wanted defensive tackles in the 300 pound range who offer quickness and penetration more so than the ability to stand up two rival O-linemen.

3. Wrong size, Charlie: Similarly, they tended to downgrade short receivers (Marquise Goodwin received a sixth round grade; Ace Sanders was nowhere to be found) and small corners (B.W. Webb appears to be a notable exception). It's rare to find a safety on their board under six feet in height. On the other hand, all the linebackers on the board are quick, undersized guys; all the big Parcellsian run stuffers were on other teams' boards.

Differences of opinion: Not only did Dallas eschew some highly-drafted players for the above offenses, they had several guys ranked considerably lower than where they were drafted. They had a second-round grade on D. J. Hayden, who the Raiders reportedly were prepared to take with the third overall pick; in addition, they had third round grades on Desmond Trufant (taken 22nd overall), Datone Jones (26th), and Kyle Long (20th). The most egregious differences? QB E.J. Manuel, drafted 16th, had a fourth round grade, and CB Johnathan Banks, who the Buccaneers nabbed at #43, was given a sixth round designation.

Ranking them regardless of position: Thanks to a sliding whiteboard covering rounds six and seven, I only have the first five rounds of the position rankings that you can see behind Jerry in the above picture. Given that they only had a handful of players with sixth and seventh round grades, it's probably not a big deal. Here's what rounds one through five look like:

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2013/...-7-round-board

Heres another look at our 2013 Draft Board. Very interesting read
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Going to say it again. Judging by their board the team did an EXCELLENT job in this draft. I love getting an insight into the teams methodology was well.

3 "2nd round values"
3 "3rd round values"
1 "4th round value"
1 "5th round value"

That's sexy given that the "bend" was foreseen as the strongest portion of the draft.

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From this, we can ascertain the Cowboys draft, according to their board:

Travis Frederick [2, 22]
Gavin Escobar [2, 25]
Terrance WIlliams [2, 23]
J. J. Wilcox [3, 50]
B. W. Webb [3, 47]
Joseph Randle [3, 67]
DeVonte Holloman [5, 147]

As this suggests, Dallas didn't follow a pure "BPA" strategy, even after their trade back with the 49ers. But they were pretty close to one. Here is what their draft would have looked like had they followed a pure "BPA" strategy (I've included options other than Matt Barkley at #80, given that the Cowboys would have just drafted Nassib):

31 Travis Frederick [2, 22]
47 Terrance Williams [2, 23]
74 Ryan Nassib [2, 28]
80 Matt Barkley [2, 31] or Kenny Wheaton [3, 44] or B. W. Webb [3, 47]
114 Webb or J. J. Wilcox [3, 50]
151 Everett Dawkins [3, 62]
185 D.C. Jefferson [3, 63]

It's clear that they didn't want to draft a quarterback and did want to draft a running back - hence passing on both Nassib and Barkley, and opting for Randle (who, to be fair, was the next player on the board after Dawkins and Jefferson).

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This thread is turning into a gem. Thanks for keeping it up and going. Haven't really had time to scour the web for stuff lately. The more I read, the more I get the idea that this team is really ahead of the curve. Their execution might be questionable, but I have a hard time finding a fault in their "pure board" philosophy and their strategies to put on/take off players based off this coaching staff's standards for what they wants to build their team upon.

If they can get guys they want and they know they want, more power to them.
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Among the list of injuries DeMarcus Ware played through last year: a hamstring tear, a fractured wrist, a hyperextended elbow and a torn labrum in the shoulder - and those are just the injuries the article mentions.

"I still had my feet, being able to run," Ware said. "It was hard. But the thing is, it’s what you’re out there playing for. There was a passion of playing with your teammates and being part of the Dallas Cowboys organization."
Good God is Ware a monster. He remained productive, albeit not his typical numbers, with a list of injuries that typically sideline/IR defensive lineman.
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Good God is Ware a monster. He remained productive, albeit not his typical numbers, with a list of injuries that typically sideline/IR defensive lineman.
And then you had people wondering why he wasn't making the same impact out there as he typically does, he was obviously playing at less then 50% for a majority of those games down the stretch but goes to show what type of player he is.
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I'm still upset about Armstead. All signs point to him being the starting LT for the Saints from Day one. Really upset we didn't have any interest, even if he's a pure LT those guys are valuable, and you can make them fit on the right. We had Tyron on the right initially and he's as pure of a LT as it gets. I'll probably follow his career because he has insane upside and I think he'll be a stud.
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I'm still upset about Armstead. All signs point to him being the starting LT for the Saints from Day one. Really upset we didn't have any interest, even if he's a pure LT those guys are valuable, and you can make them fit on the right. We had Tyron on the right initially and he's as pure of a LT as it gets. I'll probably follow his career because he has insane upside and I think he'll be a stud.
I think we can officially get away from designating players as pure left or right tackle. Teams are lining their best rusher over the right tackle now so often that a heavy footed mauler is no longer viable in the pro game. You can either pass protect or you can't. If you can't, you get moved to guard or out of the league.

I think if your athletic enough to play the left side and have the correct technique, getting stronger and being able to anchor is the easiest thing for a pro team to develop. As noted with Free, his technique has clearly become a liability which undermines any gains he's made in strength since he's entered the league.

I didn't see anything that wowed me about Armstead other than his combine. I would further suggest that no matter how good he's looked so far in OTAs, Brees had better be prepared to look over his shoulder all season. The NFL is not always kind to young tackles - especially those making this kind of leap in competition.
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I think we can officially get away from designating players as pure left or right tackle. Teams are lining their best rusher over the right tackle now so often that a heavy footed mauler is no longer viable in the pro game. You can either pass protect or you can't. If you can't, you get moved to guard or out of the league.

I think if your athletic enough to play the left side and have the correct technique, getting stronger and being able to anchor is the easiest thing for a pro team to develop. As noted with Free, his technique has clearly become a liability which undermines any gains he's made in strength since he's entered the league.

I didn't see anything that wowed me about Armstead other than his combine. I would further suggest that no matter how good he's looked so far in OTAs, Brees had better be prepared to look over his shoulder all season. The NFL is not always kind to young tackles - especially those making this kind of leap in competition.

I agree on all parts. Tyron isn't ideal on the right either but he played great there and he wasn't really that strong coming out either. I'm not saying he's going to come in from Day 1 and be a pro bowler, but the fact that he's likely to start at this point is impressive for a team who throws the ball as much as they do. He's just a guy who'll I'll likely follow his career to see how he'll fare with them since I was a fan following the draft process.


He didn't just have a great combine, he went to the Senior Bowl and looked like he belonged there, he played great against top competition and the only negative to him was level of competition so I wouldn't be surprised if his rookie year was rocky at all, I still felt he was a starter at this level and for where he went in the draft that's great value, I don't think anyone can argue that.
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I'm still upset about Armstead. All signs point to him being the starting LT for the Saints from Day one. Really upset we didn't have any interest, even if he's a pure LT those guys are valuable, and you can make them fit on the right. We had Tyron on the right initially and he's as pure of a LT as it gets. I'll probably follow his career because he has insane upside and I think he'll be a stud.
Agree 100%. I really liked his value as our 2nd round pick and loved him as a prospect. The team has to be immensely high on Parnell for us to completely ignore the selection. I believe we were 100% set on keeping Free due to the financial aspect and thus selecting Armstead would put the writing on the wall for Parnell and Weems. No doubt in the world for me that Armstead was a STEAL for the Saints in the 3rd. Immense upside and fully capable of holding his own as he showed in the Senior Bowl.

At least the team was smart enough to attempt fixing the position where Romo is the worst at taking pressure (center). Statistically over the past 5 years Tony Romo was the 3rd worst QB in terms of passer rating when pressure was generated from the center position. The worst overall? Tom Brady. Romo had excellent marks for outside rushes (tackles/TE) and free rushers but anything directly up the middle pushed him well down the rankings.

We should have adopted the Saints approach a long time ago (attempt to have the best 3 interior lineman in the league while rotating "passable" players on the edges).
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I agree on all parts. Tyron isn't ideal on the right either but he played great there and he wasn't really that strong coming out either. I'm not saying he's going to come in from Day 1 and be a pro bowler, but the fact that he's likely to start at this point is impressive for a team who throws the ball as much as they do. He's just a guy who'll I'll likely follow his career to see how he'll fare with them since I was a fan following the draft process.


He didn't just have a great combine, he went to the Senior Bowl and looked like he belonged there, he played great against top competition and the only negative to him was level of competition so I wouldn't be surprised if his rookie year was rocky at all, I still felt he was a starter at this level and for where he went in the draft that's great value, I don't think anyone can argue that.
I think that Armstead is the type of physical specimen that can certainly hold up in the league and look good one-on-one in practices - I question his ability to adjust the mental side of the game. Especially with the ability to adjust and block 3-4 complex 3-4 schemes.

As we all know, Dallas REALLY wants Doug Free to work out. They've invested a lot of money and even more time to provide Romo with an atheltic set of bookends. They may or may not have high hopes for Parnell or Weems, but I think this was probably the last year they could let the offensive tackle position "slide". They could have signed Andre Smith or Clabo and Winston is still available.

Something else that's been discussed is how Dallas targetted positions that players are currently occupying with high cap hits. I fully expect this to be the last year Miles Austin is with the team unless he accepts a major pay reduction next season. Possibly the same with Witten if Escobar proves to be NFL ready.

While we can really critique this board until the next draft as I see misses of players in almost every round.

First round: if you're talking about BPA, the Cowboys passed on 4 guys they rated as first round guys: the oft talked about Floyd, but also Eifert, Werner, and Xavier Rhodes. On the surface no way they would (or should) have taken Eifert, but as they selected Escobar in the 2nd - the value certainly matches. Werner one a polarizing prospect but one I thought would have been a perfect fit for the LDE spot rotating with Spencer before letting Spencer walk next season (I had anticipated Crawford would slide in the DT). They obviously weren't going to select another corner that high (even though they took one in the 4th) unless you believe Rhodes could also play some single high safety (which I do). EVEN if you don't, teams are running their nickel package more than half the game - so fielding 3 top corners is just as prudent as fielding 3 top linebackers.

Second round involved a couple interesting names, but I'll highlight the biggest: Eddie Lacy. But runningbacks always fall, ect. ect. ect. So do tight ends. Is Escobar in the 2nd THAT much better than getting a Sims in the 3rd or trading down and taking McDonald later in the 2nd?

This continues throughout the draft, and while they received great value on their board, I think we could all disagree with some of the grades they offered players.

Alex Okafor as a 5th round prospect is nearly criminal. I'll say right now he has a better career than Margus Hunt.

And FINALLY I can't believe Dallas didn't take a defensive lineman. I just don't understand how Kiffin and Miranelli could be comfortable enough not to bring in a single meaningful player.

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Agree 100%. I really liked his value as our 2nd round pick and loved him as a prospect. The team has to be immensely high on Parnell for us to completely ignore the selection. I believe we were 100% set on keeping Free due to the financial aspect and thus selecting Armstead would put the writing on the wall for Parnell and Weems. No doubt in the world for me that Armstead was a STEAL for the Saints in the 3rd. Immense upside and fully capable of holding his own as he showed in the Senior Bowl.

At least the team was smart enough to attempt fixing the position where Romo is the worst at taking pressure (center). Statistically over the past 5 years Tony Romo was the 3rd worst QB in terms of passer rating when pressure was generated from the center position. The worst overall? Tom Brady. Romo had excellent marks for outside rushes (tackles/TE) and free rushers but anything directly up the middle pushed him well down the rankings.

We should have adopted the Saints approach a long time ago (attempt to have the best 3 interior lineman in the league while rotating "passable" players on the edges).
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“The player that’s been the best on the field, I think, has been Anthony Spencer. I will say this about him, I feel like Anthony Spencer, now with his hand on the ground, has got a shot. Him dropping and all that, fine, great. I think Anthony Spencer is a natural pass rusher. People are going to say, ‘Well, it’s (Doug) Free, it’s (Jeremy) Parnell.’ He’s been given those guys fits.”
Supposedly Spencer has been borderline unblockable after the switch to the 4-3. A lot of crow will be eaten by media pundits if Spencer turns in a big year. The counter to this report is perhaps Free/Parnell are not performing at a passable level and we are going to watch Romo run for his life again this year albeit from a spot he is MUCH more comfortable avoiding rushers from.

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Supposedly Spencer has been borderline unblockable after the switch to the 4-3. A lot of crow will be eaten by media pundits if Spencer turns in a big year. The counter to this report is perhaps Free/Parnell are not performing at a passable level and we are going to watch Romo run for his life again this year albeit from a spot he is MUCH more comfortable avoiding rushers from.
If there's a weakness you can "afford" on the offensive line, it's right tackle. A right handed QB should be able to see and diagnose that. The biggest issue was the penalties. I'd rather guys getting a free line to Romo from the edges where he's proven to be slippery, rather than blatant holding when you get beat. I realize that's counter to conventional wisdom.
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If there's a weakness you can "afford" on the offensive line, it's right tackle. A right handed QB should be able to see and diagnose that. The biggest issue was the penalties. I'd rather guys getting a free line to Romo from the edges where he's proven to be slippery, rather than blatant holding when you get beat. I realize that's counter to conventional wisdom.
Agree 100%. PFF had a telling report. Romo is one of the league's worst in passer rating with pressure up the middle. He is one of the league's best in passer rating with pressure from the outside AND free rushers.

For that reason alone I am 100% okay with the team trying to fix the interior line first and foremost before turning to the outside situation. If someone at RT can play at a Parnell/Free late-year level this team will be fine as long as we are not leaking pressure from the interior.
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Agree 100%. PFF had a telling report. Romo is one of the league's worst in passer rating with pressure up the middle. He is one of the league's best in passer rating with pressure from the outside AND free rushers.

For that reason alone I am 100% okay with the team trying to fix the interior line first and foremost before turning to the outside situation. If someone at RT can play at a Parnell/Free late-year level this team will be fine as long as we are not leaking pressure from the interior.
And the BIGGEST issue is cutting down on offensive line penalties - ESPECIALLY from the offensive tackle position.

Dallas was the 3rd most frequently penalized team last season, headed by Free and Tyron Smith. Romo and this offense can do some amazing things on 2nd and 7. Not so much on 3rd and 17.
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Supposedly Spencer has been borderline unblockable after the switch to the 4-3. A lot of crow will be eaten by media pundits if Spencer turns in a big year. The counter to this report is perhaps Free/Parnell are not performing at a passable level and we are going to watch Romo run for his life again this year albeit from a spot he is MUCH more comfortable avoiding rushers from.
^^^^ the checkbook will open as well. This scheme is built around putting lineman in the best position to get after the QB and with the ends working in harmony it makes it difficult to send help to both sides, not to mention pressure from the inside. I'm am ready to get these into training camp to see them full throttle with pads. Apparently Wilber is looking good rushing the passer as well and even had some good battles against Tyron while getting 1st team reps.
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^^^^ the checkbook will open as well. This scheme is built around putting lineman in the best position to get after the QB and with the ends working in harmony it makes it difficult to send help to both sides, not to mention pressure from the inside. I'm am ready to get these into training camp to see them full throttle with pads. Apparently Wilber is looking good rushing the passer as well and even had some good battles against Tyron while getting 1st team reps.
While Tyron Smith is clearly our best linemen, he still has a LONG way to go. He's hardly played like an elite player and has penalty problems like Free.

I never understood Wilber at OLB, but I liked what I saw of him in college with his hand on the ground.

Finally, would love to hear some good things from Crawford as the SDE but seems he had some back spasms that was keeping him out.
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Dallas signed Dante Rosario. We are VERY committed to 4 TEs on the roster and I think Vickers is as close to a lock to being released as you can get. Dallas will let him get healthy before cutting him loose though.

Rosario has played all over the place. Merely TE in the NFL but he was a FB, H-back, TE, and WR for Oregon and has good hands paired with good blocking.

Another matchup nightmare. He moves well as he is both fast and smooth for a big guy.
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