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Everyone wants Mo to be a great player but he's playing on probably the worst defense in the NFL. For corners to be successful they need to be playing with a halfway decent pass rush and safeties with some range.. Mo has neither. He looked pretty damn good the beginning of his rookie year, which was also the last time we were fielding a solid defense.
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Who's going to provide the pass rush this year at DE?
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Who's going to provide the pass rush this year at DE?
Rush by committee.

But I'm not really worried about that too much. We drafted Zack Martin and our line should really control games for us this season. This should be our best offense since our SB run in the 90s. We literally have EVERYTHING. I can't complain about any one spot... including kicker.
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Rush by committee.

But I'm not really worried about that too much. We drafted Zack Martin and our line should really control games for us this season. This should be our best offense since our SB run in the 90s. We literally have EVERYTHING. I can't complain about any one spot... including kicker.
Completely agree. I've been saying for a while now if this offense isn't ELITE then Garrett should be fired, especially since he's an offensive coach.

The offense is stacked. If Linehan finally gets guys like Escobar and Dunbar involved on top of the studs we already have and our even better OL with the addition of Martin, we should be scoring 30+ a game and winning the time of possession battle most of the time.

I don't understand how both national and Dallas media is seemingly underselling this offense. They should be dominant.
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Tony Romo doesnít just rank ahead of Troy Aikman, but he also has abetter career winning percentage. I bet you didnít know that.


Can't help but get a smug grin. Tony is probably one of the most underappreciated players in the league.
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Can't help but get a smug grin. Tony is probably one of the most underappreciated players in the league.
...and the scary part is, this season should be the best Tony Romo we've ever seen. He has everything including a good OC that won't hold him back and more control of the playcalling. Is there a QB in the league that is set up to succeed on offense more than Romo is right now? He has the kind of relationship you woud want between QB and receivers, a workhorse back, depth at WR, TE and OL... an excellent kicker to salvage points on failed TD drives... Gotta love what the Cowboys have on offense. I would take what we have over what Denver has around Peyton.
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...and the scary part is, this season should be the best Tony Romo we've ever seen. He has everything including a good OC that won't hold him back and more control of the playcalling. Is there a QB in the league that is set up to succeed on offense more than Romo is right now? He has the kind of relationship you woud want between QB and receivers, a workhorse back, depth at WR, TE and OL... an excellent kicker to salvage points on failed TD drives... Gotta love what the Cowboys have on offense. I would take what we have over what Denver has around Peyton.
Too bad we will be losing some games 45-38 again. Im sure it'll be Romo's fault to some around here.
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It always trips me out how some analysts pull that lazy ass rhetoric of the QB winning games out their ass until it comes to Aikman. Then it's the same argument used against Emmitt that he played with top level players. Somehow that argument never gets used against Jerry Rice, Joe Montana, and Steve Young though.

Of course all of those players are great, and I'm not knocking any one of them. But annoys me though is how the Cowboys of the 90s all get knocked down a peg in all time rankings for playing with other greats when damn near every Hall of Famer played with good to great players. Even Barry Sanders had Herman Moore, Kevin Glover, Lomas Brown, and Brett Perriman before it all went to **** in Detroit. Let's keep Troy off of the all time rankings because he played with great players but rank Steve Young at number 4 after walking onto a team that won 4 Super Bowls before he became a starter.
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Too bad we will be losing some games 45-38 again. Im sure it'll be Romo's fault to some around here.
It shouldn't be that way if we control the clock like we should. If we're scoring too fast, that can also work against us. We got the offense to do it. Hopefully I won't be blaming Romo too much next season. He basically just needs to be a bus driver at this point. No need for him to play the hero. He has everything around him that he needs. All he has to do is not make boneheaded mistakes. Hopefully that's not too much to ask.

This offense is built to limit the time the defense sees the field and hopefully fresher legs and depth makes up for the lack in top tier talent.
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The only thing I worry about with the offense is Garrett. Time and time again he gets outcoached, or gets too cute and blows it. The talent is there in spades, and now Romo should have even more time to throw. Sure if Romo gets hurt it all goes to hell, but that's just the nature of things in the NFL. Beyond that the offense has too many weapons to not be good. Dez is either elite, or borderline elite. Witten is still a top tight end. T-Williams, Beasley, and Harris are all good in the passing game, and that's before adding anyone else that could contribute like Street or Escobar. Then you have Murray being damn good in both running and receiving. There's too much talent to falter, and what usually gets them is dumb play calls at the wrong time. Maybe with Linehan things will change, but I really don't think that Garrett's done with his imprint on the play calling. Even with a vet coordinator like Callahan the same Garrett type things happened. My faith in him has been gone for a while now.
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Could do wonders with a real GM and HC. Dont let facts get in the way of a good story though.
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Oh definitely! Up to now and forever in time it will always be someone else. That's what i just said. That's why I'm not so excited about his fancy stats. When we win this year it will be because of everyone else around him. If we lose this year it will be because of everyone else around him. That's also why I'm not thrilled about paying him $18M. A lot of QBs can win with a perfect team. The ones that win without it who are truly special.

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I enjoy Romo banter because one side can post statistics and FACTUALLY refute popular media and the other uses less than empirical measures and sarcasm.

Last season Romo was 6th in 4th quarter QBR (105.6).

Fun for a fun fact do you guys know who the #1 fourth quarter QB of all-time is (QBR)? It's Tony Romo with a 102.9.

Yeah but he never brings Dallas back? Uh no. 11 game winner drives (GWD) in the past three seasons. Tops in the NFL.

Yeah but *mumbles something about "clutch-time" versus "4th quarter"? Oh Tony Romo has a "two minute drill QBR" of 93.1. Highest since Fox Sports collected the statistic in 1991.

Yeah but he doesn't win like Aikman!?!? Actually Romo is winning games at a higher rate (58%) than Aikman (57%) with lesser teams. (Go ahead and try to tell me that Aikman's teams collectively were less talented than Romo's).

Point blank Dallas demands championships and that means whoever is at the helm is always going to be judged in an unfair light. Problem is this isn't golf it is football. TEAM sport. When your QB throws 31 TDs to 10 INTs with 64% completion and you end up 8-8 it is a laughable notion to blame the QB. Keep in mind that was with a back in need of surgery as well.

What D has said reads exactly like the expectant fan-base as a whole. If Romo cannot carry our lowest payroll in the league (cap charges or cap minus dead space) to victory despite returning one of the worst defenses in the league the onus will be Tony.

That. Makes. Sense? Everyone wants something special, and extremely rare, in a QB that wins without a ton of support. Every single teams wants that type of QB. In my head you have Peyton Manning and Drew Brees. On some days Tom Brady plays that way, but hell on some days Tony Romo (and any number of QBs over the years) has played that well in spurts. So we are talking 2 QBs in the past 15 years that reliably won with "lesser" talent.

Since 1999 (15 years) there have been 369 different QBs to START a game. So I already eliminated those who were drafted and busted out. TWO out of those 369 played at a "special" level reliably with a couple that did on an on-and-off basis including the maligned Mr. Romo. Is that really the expectation for the starting QB of the Dallas Cowboys?
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4th Quarter as a whole is not when Romo's issues arise, it's at the end of games. Here's facts for you from the other front...

#1-In the first 12 minutes of 4th quarters, Romoís Total QBR (ESPNís proprietary QB rating) is 80. In the final 3 minutes itís 44.

#2-Tony Romo has more 4th quarter interceptions when the game is tied or the Cowboys are up by a touchdown or less than any other QB since 2006.

He is simply not good when thereís something to lose.
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#1-In the first 12 minutes of 4th quarters, Romoís Total QBR (ESPNís proprietary QB rating) is 80. In the final 3 minutes itís 44.

#2-Tony Romo has more 4th quarter interceptions when the game is tied or the Cowboys are up by a touchdown or less than any other QB since 2006.

He is simply not good when thereís something to lose.

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Yeah but *mumbles something about "clutch-time" versus "4th quarter"? Oh Tony Romo has a "two minute drill QBR" of 93.1. Highest since Fox Sports collected the statistic in 1991.
Touched on that but ... I tend to gravitate towards statistics that bear results. Team QBR (Passer Rating) i.e. QBR not "ESPN Total QBR" decides the winner 79.3% of games. With Romo CONSISTENTLY placing top 5-7 in QBR on a yearly basis that means one thing. Our defense passer rating is atrocious. And of course it is ;)

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...ing/index.html

Statistics vs Pop Media turns the headline from "Romo unable to overcome porous pass defense" into something that is draw eyeballs: "Romo implodes attempting to comeback for the 8th time in one game!?!?". Of course the editor chops the end.


67 of 69 champions (97 percent) since 1940 finished the year ranked in the top 10 in Passer Rating Differential.

You can have a terrible QB (QBR-wise) like Joe Flacco and win due to having an ELITE defense that makes the other QB look worse than Flacco. Or you can win by having an ELITE QB like Manning and a terrible (but not too terrible) defense. What you cannot have is a top 7 QB (QBR) and an atrocious defense unless you want to go 8-8.


Onto ESPN "Statistics":
I enjoyed the ESPN statistic but what you failed to mention is the QBs with A SINGLE less INT in the same scenario: Tom Brady. Matt Ryan.

So you're telling me that Tom Brady is super un-clutch too? Same with "Matty Ice" Ryan. ESPN LOVES to drill down scenarios to promote a rhetoric.

Tony Romo is "simply not good when there's something to lose" but Tom Brady isn't any better judging by this approach.

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Having a 90+ QBR for 57 minutes of the game and then posting a 44 QBR in the last 3 minutes of games for his career is the story of his tenure. You can spin how his defense sucks, how he's always attempting to comeback, etc... bottom line is for whatever reason his glowing statistics plummet in the last 3 minutes of the game. Those that shrug off his label as "Good QB that's prone to making the big **** up at the end" like to throw stats out there that paint a pretty picture to try and disprove that theory, but then geek out when someone throws stats back at them like his 44 QBR in the last 3 minutes... because, you know, stats only work when they cater to our agenda.

The dude is what he is, he's generally a really good QB that at times can carve defenses up... but I'm never going to pretend that he doesn't have the propensity to mess it up at the end with a bonehead mistake when we've seen him do it time and time again. It's just mind boggling to me how some Cowboy fans can lie to themselves and pretend it's not a pattern with Romo.

This is why I'm generally excited about the possibility of having a great OL this year. It's not so we can protect Romo better, it's because now we can take the ball out of his hands at the end of games and actually close teams out on the ground.

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I love Romo. I admit he has had his share of brain farts. Hes not perfect but hes good enough to win with. He takes WAY to much blame for the way the roster has been constructed. Hes not the problem.

Heres an interesting stat for you guys, in the 7 games we lost with Romo as the starting QB he threw 17 TDs and 3 picks. Let than sink in, in the 7 games "he" lost he had 17 and 3! Seems pretty silly to be blaming him with results like that.
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The disconnect is those of us who are objective with Romo, at least within our board, is that we don't blame him for everything that's gone wrong. That would be silly. The guy is definitely a good QB and we're in a better situation at QB than a lot of teams in the league. I just hold him responsible for his mistakes and am not afraid to call him out on them. Too many times I see defending of Romo, blaming his receivers, the protection, play call, etc when he makes a bad decision/play.

It's just fascinating how black and white the topic of Romo has become within the masses of our fan base. There's this feeling of you either support him 100% and are defending him til death do us part, or you're a hater. Why can't we just be objective with him?

The dude has messed up in big spots, and his reputation reflects that.
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IRVING, Texas (1080 KRLD) Ė A Dallas Cowboy offensive lineman could be facing a trial and a possible NFL suspension after being accused of DWI.
25-year old Ronald Leary was stopped in September 2012 for driving erratically and making multiple traffic violations in Irving according to a police report. The arresting officer claimed Leary had bloodshot eyes and slurred speech and smelled of alcohol.
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Sucks that something from his rookie season comes back to haunt him now that he's probably a starter. This will definitely hurt him against battling with Mack if he misses some games. I hope that Goodell doesn't go hardcore on him. Since this happened two years ago, if he hasn't gotten into any trouble since then it might give him a lesser suspension like a few games.
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