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Old 12-23-2013, 11:10 PM    (permalink
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I know, which sucks.
It's going to hurt his eventual turn as well. People like us are going to be YEARNING for it and it'll probably backfire.

In other Raw news, that CM Punk/John Cena/Big E backstage promo was so great. All promos should be backstage, I hate this 15 minute opening segment sit around and talk crap.
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JBalla is mormon, so naturally he assumes that whenever you get one marriage done, another two or five are in the works.

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So what exactly is the benefit of Cena going over Undertaker at Mania? He's already not over with the adult base, that romanticizes Undertaker, and it's not going to get him more heat. All it's going to do is push people away from the product even more than they already have. It doesn't change anything at all except even more solidify that they want us to believe Cena is the top guy.

The heat won't transfer over to Cena and it won't be some grand moment, it will be contrived and finally an opportunity for a lot of us to acknowledge that the WWE we used to know is gone, and we lost the fight for good. Very few are going to be mad about any of it, while the majority will feel like they just got hit in the gut for the last time, and it's time to leave with Taker. There's a reason why attendance is correlated with winning percentage in professional sports, and that's because nobody wants to keep smashing their head into the wall when they know that the wall already won, it's not moving, and there is nothing you can do about it. No amount of booing the guy, nor cheering every single person that has come up that should have taken the baton (namely CM Punk and Daniel Bryan) and ended up on the ground, empty handed and staring at the people who let it happen, knowing that there is nothing that could have been done, they weren't even supposed to be in the race.

That's where the Cena push has gone wrong. It has created apathy among wrestling fans, apathetic about what they once thought was a meritocracy really being a monarchy, apathetic about their opinions, voices, and merchandise sales actually meaning something, and apathetic that they are even part of who WWE is trying to cater to. It's the person who experienced euphoria that gets addicted to it and craves it, not the person who drives a sedan and goes home to normalcy. As soon as a drug junkie forgets what the high feels like and why it was better than anything they could have imagined, they're no longer an addict and they have no desire to become one.

That's how sports work. You become a fan of a team when you experience something that's not replicable anywhere else in your life. That's how escapism works, that's why we are drawn to the cartoon characters and the Stone Cold's/CM Punks/Daniel Bryan's of the world. We don't experience people like Stone Cold or even CM Punk in our day-to-day lives and we wish we did. We yearn to rebel, follow our dreams, never compromise, and become dignified. That's what draws us back to watching grown men do performing arts in their underwear. performing monologues declaring their intentions and following through with them.

That's why there is nothing to gain with a John Cena victory. He's already beaten us all enough to where we don't want to fight it anymore, we just want to pack up and leave it all behind.
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Why air promos of Batista returning? Why not just have it be a surprise for people who don't read spoilers on the Internet?
because people read the spoilers and then tell people. everyone already knew.

and so help me god if my first and potentially only Mania Main Event is Batista vs Orton.
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because people read the spoilers and then tell people. everyone already knew.

and so help me god if my first and potentially only Mania Main Event is Batista vs Orton.
I think you're using the term "everyone" quite loosely.
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So what exactly is the benefit of Cena going over Undertaker at Mania? He's already not over with the adult base, that romanticizes Undertaker, and it's not going to get him more heat. All it's going to do is push people away from the product even more than they already have. It doesn't change anything at all except even more solidify that they want us to believe Cena is the top guy.

The heat won't transfer over to Cena and it won't be some grand moment, it will be contrived and finally an opportunity for a lot of us to acknowledge that the WWE we used to know is gone, and we lost the fight for good. Very few are going to be mad about any of it, while the majority will feel like they just got hit in the gut for the last time, and it's time to leave with Taker. There's a reason why attendance is correlated with winning percentage in professional sports, and that's because nobody wants to keep smashing their head into the wall when they know that the wall already won, it's not moving, and there is nothing you can do about it. No amount of booing the guy, nor cheering every single person that has come up that should have taken the baton (namely CM Punk and Daniel Bryan) and ended up on the ground, empty handed and staring at the people who let it happen, knowing that there is nothing that could have been done, they weren't even supposed to be in the race.

That's where the Cena push has gone wrong. It has created apathy among wrestling fans, apathetic about what they once thought was a meritocracy really being a monarchy, apathetic about their opinions, voices, and merchandise sales actually meaning something, and apathetic that they are even part of who WWE is trying to cater to. It's the person who experienced euphoria that gets addicted to it and craves it, not the person who drives a sedan and goes home to normalcy. As soon as a drug junkie forgets what the high feels like and why it was better than anything they could have imagined, they're no longer an addict and they have no desire to become one.

That's how sports work. You become a fan of a team when you experience something that's not replicable anywhere else in your life. That's how escapism works, that's why we are drawn to the cartoon characters and the Stone Cold's/CM Punks/Daniel Bryan's of the world. We don't experience people like Stone Cold or even CM Punk in our day-to-day lives and we wish we did. We yearn to rebel, follow our dreams, never compromise, and become dignified. That's what draws us back to watching grown men do performing arts in their underwear. performing monologues declaring their intentions and following through with them.

That's why there is nothing to gain with a John Cena victory. He's already beaten us all enough to where we don't want to fight it anymore, we just want to pack up and leave it all behind.
Taking on this post bit by bit;

About the only feasible reason to put Cena over Taker(which to my mind is highly unlikely) is as a means to pass the torch, much the same way you got Cena-Rock II even if you most likely preferred the one-and-done deal because Cena lost. In this case, it's not a past Champion passing the torch to the present Champion, but rather a past Leader passing it on to the present Leader. Everybody says Taker is the absolute Locker Room Leader, the guy who supposedly protects the others and protects the business. And really, who is better qualified to take over that mantle?

The depressing part of John Cena's career is that, outside of the ring, he's everything you could ever want in a wrestler. His workrate in terms of time spent in the company as opposed to time off is INSANE, and his charity work is practically untouchable by anyone else. And when you get down to pure business, his sales are simply too dang good to discard, and WWE pretty much cares about the money.

In fact, let me repeat this; WWE cares about the profit. They need to. If John Cena is drawing in money and the child demographic, which by the way is perhaps more reliable than our demographic, then yes they will push him over and over again and keep him up there at the top.

But again, that doesn't matter to most because inside the ring, John Cena has pretty much been booked like Hulk Hogan (albeit with much less hassle about his title reigns), has a wrestling style that can in fact be predictable, and has a character that has been totally crammed into the proverbial corner because of said profits. Those truly are legitimate concerns.

You also marginalize the impact of those like Punk and Bryan by saying they have been ultimately pushed back down after they have risen up. Punk has had up to a year and a half of white-hot relevance since that pipebomb promo, and spent over a year with the main title belt, ultimately losing it so the Cena-Rock saga could have the ending WWE wanted. And sure he's probably had an off-year being fed to Taker then waging a war with Paul Heyman and finally tagging along with Bryan, but that's really not much of a down year as you'd think. As for Bryan, his [BLEEP]ing story isn't over yet. It's a gigantic smark-smiting swerve he's at the helm of, and you've got a long ways to go before you can say with any confidence that he's been shot down.

The big problem with your plea as to everybody's opinions not mattering... WWE cares about profit. You can make all the internet forum posts you want saying how something is bad and needs to go away, but that amounts to a bunch of hamster farts. If you want a particular wrestler to climb to the top- or at least be a quality option provided he/she isn't lacking something outside the ring- buy their freaking merchandise. Buy as much as you can realistically afford, devote insane groups of like-minded individuals with one goal in mind; elevating your favorite wrestler to the top by sheer purchasing power. It's that simple, and you're not doing enough of it. You're just not. Otherwise just turn the television off already.

...but honestly, I don't see Cena going over Taker. It only looks that obvious because 'CENAWINSLOL' is the easiest freaking thing to see in smarksville. But I do see Taker elevating Cena regardless of the outcome.
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Wasn't that just a storyline (like when he also stole Steve McMichael's wife in WCW)?
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Wasn't that just a storyline (like when he also stole Steve McMichael's wife in WCW)?
That WCW one was, but the TNA one was routed in reality.
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Wasn't that just a storyline (like when he also stole Steve McMichael's wife in WCW)?
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So, the WWE is back in the Comic Books with a series Authored by Mick Foley, taking on a more Vigilante-ist backdrop of the WWE characters. Basically the setting is your typical neo-noir metropolis with many people on many sides. And the MacGauffin is literally 'Money in the Bank'.

Just saw a thread of the first issue on 4chan- all I can say is 'Skull[BLEEP] me with 'Barbie' because you're about to LOSE SLEEP.'
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Interesting ending to Raw. A couple months ago, I'd figured Bryan would join the Wyatt Family, and lead them to a face turn to be the answer to the Authority's Shield.

But the Shield looks to be self destructing. And faces rarely form stables except to combat other stables. So I'm not sure where the WWE is going with this.
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I know a while ago I saw a rumor that WWE wanted Rock vs. Brock at Mania. Any chance we'd see Rock come back at the rumble and win and then Brock win the title with his self-proclaimed #1 status? I assume Rock might come back again for Mania, but not sure if he's be back at the rumble already for that long of a run up.

(also, I know Fast 7 shooting is delayed so not sure he'll be available at all other than like a one-two week thing)
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Of course my ******* DVR ***** up its recording during the whole Brock Lesnar segment, and only that segment.

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According to LoP, that wasn't your DVR, it was USA's feed that ****** up.
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Inter-promotion dream match: Daniel Bryan vs. A.J. Styles.
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Here's a nice observation; Daniel Bryan is actually being marketed as the 'Smark Wrestler'.

Think about it;

-He's naturally undersized and not especially bulked up in any way- which makes him much easier to emphasize with fans who are probably very tired of the big men and the fat men and the musclebound freaks.
-His ring style is defiant of the wrestling industry's perception of successful cruiserweights (fast-paced high-flying spotfests) by staying grounded to the mat and pulling off a plethora of wrestling holds and other related moves, basically the arsenal of guys like Bret Hart and Kurt Angle- that sort of ringwork being just about the only thing smarks respect.
-His mic work is awkward and undeveloped, which is both glossed over and touted by smarks- they tend not to care about mic work unless said wrestler is breaking the perceived fourth wall against the establishment a la CM Punk.
-His storyline involvement is practically nonexistant outside the ring, he just shows up and wrestles- this isn't really provable but I would imagine smarks are also tired of the backstage crap and are just interested in the action.
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You still alive, CCB?
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Yeah I'm alive and kicking, I just often forget I'm free to post here again since the IP ban that was used to keep me away is no longer effective since I've moved since then.
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Old School Raw is perfect for an old fan like me who loved wrestling in the 1980s. This will never happen, but wouldn't it be great if Vince showed up and he did a "Tuesday Night Titans" segment, with the old set? Of course, he would do it as Mr. McMahon instead of the straight-up guy he was back then.
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Yea I love old school raw and I just wish they would wait till next week to do it when it doesnt go head to head with the college football game.
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Yea I love old school raw and I just wish they would wait till next week to do it when it doesnt go head to head with the college football game.
That's probably one of the reasons why it's this week. Vince is trying to keep as many viewers as possible tuned to Raw.
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Live rasslin is always fun as long as it isn't a completely horrible show.

Keep posting CCB, I need those sweet nips in my life.
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