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Old 02-27-2014, 12:03 PM    (permalink
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If Reigns/Wyatt was any good, nobody would have booed or got bored. Both are the most manufactured wrestlers in the WWE right now, so it was a weird/odd decision to go for it right then.

Also, on the Masked Man, he's part of this new age of "Complain about 'other smarks'" Smarks. If you look at these internet places, the most popular threads are people agreeing that "Smarks" suck.
That's because smarks do suck.
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That's because smarks do suck.
I think certain people who talk about certain aspects of wrestling on the internet do suck, but by that logic, we all suck. I don't think we do. I also don't think you, myself, brody, commie, Bert, legend killer, WMD, and the Masked Man think enough alike to even agree on anything, let alone that we are all "Smarks", yet here he we are, talking about booking on the internet.
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JBalla is mormon, so naturally he assumes that whenever you get one marriage done, another two or five are in the works.

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There is a very obvious internet consensus and it is extremely predictable (and has been for many, many years). I get what you're saying about lumping anyone into a singular category, but there's obviously a huge echo chamber and it's starting to work it's way too much into the product.

And that doesn't mean the smark consensus is always wrong. Very often it's not. This new version of Batista, for example, is terrible.

My only issues are:

1) The absurd obsession with workrate, even though it is clearly the most irrelevant aspect of a wrestler's talents in getting over (this is only arguable if you are so embedded in this mindset that you can't actually come to terms with who is really over and who isn't--and why). As much as I like Dave Meltzer, I personally blame him for starting much of this. His star rankings treat wrestling like it's a technical sport, but much of his analysis is totally 100% irrelevant to evaluating the product based on its intended goals (and, again, I like Dave Meltzer)

2) The going into business for yourself/nerd circle jerk that so many WWE events are turning into. Fandangoing was fun. Chanting Husky Harris is stupid. Congrats, you have the internet. I hate that those people ever left ROH or whatever indy rathole they climbed out of.



Now, is that ALL of the IWC? No. Not at all. I post on a few places and generally the people are legit and smart and decent (and when they are being smark know-it-alls stop pretty quickly when called out). But it is a lot of them.
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THEY HAVE BARELY CHANTED HUSKY HARRIS. Stop bringing that up already, it's like 8 people at an event that have done it two or three times.
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Chanting "Husky Harris" is stupid, but maybe they wouldn't be doing it if he was a better ring worker. I love the Wyatt Family and their gimmick -- a blend of the Manson Family and the swamp hillbillies in "Deliverance". But they are average wrestlers at best. But having more image/glitter than substance isn't always bad -- it worked for Hulk Hogan. But if you're going to chant "Husky Harris" at Bray Wyatt, you might as well chant "Terror Risin' " when HHH is in the ring.

As far as a smark vs mainstream fan, I'm somewhere in the middle. I sometimes get exited the same as any goof in the audience when Cena or Bryan run in the ring to take care of an unjust situation. But sometimes I think or write on here "What the hell! WWE is screwing up again." I try to be fair.
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Luke Harper is one of the best big men wrestlers to come around in a long ass time, so he is not average.
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He wasn't in that singles match.
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JBalla is mormon, so naturally he assumes that whenever you get one marriage done, another two or five are in the works.

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He wasn't in that singles match.
I was responding to Jimmy.
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Sorry. I agree with you on Harper though.
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It was ok, nobody cared. Seriously, more people used that as a bathroom break than the Divas match.
That's sad. Titus will be a star
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Luke Harper is one of the best big men wrestlers to come around in a long ass time, so he is not average.
You're probably right. I'm one of those people who are prejudiced against big wrestlers and love the smaller Bryan/Punk/Mysterio types. Kofi Kingston would be a big star if he could talk at all, but on a scale of 1 to 10, his promo skills are about minus 13 (the same as the temperature has been the past three months where I live). As far as big men, The Undertaker and Kane were great. But Undertaker only wrestles at WM due to age, and Kane is physically done.
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That's sad. Titus will be a star
I agree. Like Titus and Darren (Especially together), but it was hard to get into their match. Hopefully better things are ahead for both of them.
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You're probably right. I'm one of those people who are prejudiced against big wrestlers and love the smaller Bryan/Punk/Mysterio types. Kofi Kingston would be a big star if he could talk at all, but on a scale of 1 to 10, his promo skills are about minus 13 (the same as the temperature has been the past three months where I live). As far as big men, The Undertaker and Kane were great. But Undertaker only wrestles at WM due to age, and Kane is physically done.
Kane hasn't been this good physically since 99 he's in great shape.
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Somehow I'm just now hearing about this a rikishi ballad love song very cheesy

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Harper is really good in the ring and Bray is totally fine with some very cool moves. Bray can't carry a match, but he is definitely adequate. When he is in there with someone good, he can put on an great match.
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Not that I really care about workrate, but what on earth is wrong with Wyatt? He's very athletic for a man his size, and as Rob said, has a unique and interesting moveset.
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I'd say the bigger problem with Wyatt has been his mic skills (or at least the lines being written for him) which took a while to connect with the audience. But they are definitely getting there as far as that goes, and the program with Bryan helped a lot.
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I'd say the bigger problem with Wyatt has been his mic skills (or at least the lines being written for him) which took a while to connect with the audience. But they are definitely getting there as far as that goes, and the program with Bryan helped a lot.
*supposedly* Bray writes his own material and WWE signs off on it or tells him to do something else. Might not be true, rasslin' news and such.
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I just wish the character had more meat on its bones. His actions are never really explained and there's very little depth to the character. It's the same thing with the Shield. Awesome gimmick, but their actions are usually vaguely explained at best.

It still works, because the guys themselves are so talented they could get over playing Doink the Clown, but it could be so much better.
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That Cesaro/Zayn match...

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That Cesaro/Zayn match...

So great. I loved it. Better than the original. That standing O in the middle of the match was perfect.
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The network sucks for me. The streaming is always horrific, especially the on demand.
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The network sucks for me. The streaming is always horrific, especially the on demand.
laptop or device? The app won't show up on my Roku.
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laptop or device? The app won't show up on my Roku.
I've basically tried everything.

- Laptop works the best, but is still spotty and freezes all the time.
- iPad is borderline worthless
- Chromecast is worthless
- X-Box 360 won't let me sign in

Safe to say I probably won't be buying it.
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