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Old 07-15-2014, 10:35 AM    (permalink
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Chicks draw Flair, Flair teaches Ziggler the Figure 4 (after feuding with Miz over the rights to it). Boom.
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The Flair character was an uber heel. It was only after over a decade of being the absolute man that he became a face.

The Ziggler character, if they want him to get over as a face, should be someone that continually struggles to persevere in spite of daunting obstacles through sheer talent and work ethic. They had that for a minute after Del Rio screwed him over, then he got hurt, and that was it.

He's not going to get over because two ladies like him more than Fandango. It's a stupid angle and doesn't make either character the least bit more interesting.
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I wouldn't have thought WWE could get good post Cold War USA/Russia material, but they did last night. It was more exiting than past summits, considering that Mikiail Gorbechev never threw Ronald Reagan into a podium, and Reagan never put an ankle lock on Gorby. {LOL}

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The Flair character was an uber heel. It was only after over a decade of being the absolute man that he became a face.

The Ziggler character, if they want him to get over as a face, should be someone that continually struggles to persevere in spite of daunting obstacles through sheer talent and work ethic. They had that for a minute after Del Rio screwed him over, then he got hurt, and that was it.

He's not going to get over because two ladies like him more than Fandango. It's a stupid angle and doesn't make either character the least bit more interesting.
He got hurt after the horrible wrap-up of that angle that saw ADR win for no reason at all. He was fine during it.
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Old 07-15-2014, 11:48 AM    (permalink
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Do you mean the double turn when Del Rio kept kicking him in his concussed head? Cause that was the best thing they ever did with Ziggler. Or Del Rio, for that matter.
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Yeah, basically. I thought that was the best match of 2013.
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Yeah, basically. I thought that was the best match of 2013.
I gotta go with Punk/Brock for that honor. I loved the mix of styles and the use of MMA style holds and strikes.
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I found that match just too unbelievable. Brock could, at any point, literally kill Punk. It was like watching Billy Kidman fight Hogan all over again.
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Although a true statement, once you start having that mindset, almost every match with a physical marvel like Brock becomes entirely unenjoyable.
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I like the hoss fights with Brock. I actually loved his Wrestlemania match with HHH. And his stuff with Kurt Angle was great (not that Angle is a big guy either). I liked his stuff with Cena too. Huge Lesnar fan.

I'm willing to suspend some disbelief, but the idea that Brock would need help to beat CM Punk in a fight is just stupid.
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How do you feel about his match with Eddie Guerrero?
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I honestly don't remember, but Guerrero had a considerable amount more muscle mass on Punk. Plus, smaller-guys tend to be more believable if they have an aerial moveset.

Shawn Michaels, though a smaller guy, was always believable in my mind against the bigger guys because he moved so well.

Part of that is just the issue I've always had with Punk. I just don't buy that he's going to be a physically competitive guy. I've always really hoped he would do the MMA route he often talked about, but I think even he knows he'd get destroyed.
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Swagger is a bad promo guy (which is why Coulter is with him) and the Rusev character can't speak English. That's worse than "meh".

As far as believability (or in this case, BOlievability), if you can buy Bo Dallas laying out The Great Kali, you can buy anything.
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Just watched Raw. Any word on the Rollins injury because it certainly looked real.
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It's a work.
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My picks for tonight.

Naomi vs. Cameron

20 Man Battle Royal - Bo Dallas

Jack Swagger vs. Rusev

AJ Lee
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Dean Ambrose vs. Seth Rollins

The Usos vs. Luke Harper and Erick Rowan

Chris Jericho vs. Bray Wyatt

John Cena vs. Randy Orton vs. Kane vs. Roman Reigns
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Cameron
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Cesaro
AJ
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Cena
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In my fantasy booking world:

- Naomi ends Cameron. No, really, Cameron should just get squashed and then future endeavored.

- The Wyatts go over dirty setting up the rubber match at SS.

- Cesaro FTW

- I would say Rusev would win, but in light of recent events I'll go with Swagger. Rusev can survive a loss and they can continue this program a little longer. Just maybe drop the Putin ****.

- Paige goes over A.J. dirty completing both of their turns. Paige becomes a Heyman girl and this rivalry just becomes all kinds of awesome.

- Dean Ambrose over Seth Rollins. When the Authority crumbles after tonight they kick Rollins to the curb in favor of Brock and Rollins rides this **** out solo.

- Wyatt over Jericho. Maybe Wyatt even takes an intentional DQ and just obliterates Y2J.

- Cena wins. lol
(In the process Orton and Reigns set up a feud to fight at SummerSlam)
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Paige goes over A.J. dirty completing both of their turns. Paige becomes a Heyman girl and this rivalry just becomes all kinds of awesome.
This would be awesome because Paige has no business ever touching a mic.
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I've got:

Naomi
IC Battle Royale - Ziggler
Rusev
AJ Lee
No Contest between Rollins/Ambrose
Harper/Rowan
Wyatt
Cena
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Naomi
Cesaro
Rusev
AJ Lee
Dean Ambrose
Luke Harper and Erick Rowan
Bray Wyatt
John Cena
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Fandango vs Adam Rose added to the pre-show if anyone cares.
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