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Old 11-16-2006, 10:31 PM    (permalink
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Ok...In my Human Health class today...we had a discussion on Obesity...and someone said its a genetic disease...which sounds ludacrous to me. Ok, there may be factors to lead it, slow metabolism, family history...but saying your are obese because of family genes seems absurd. Genes do not make you want to gorge yourself and not workout, that's called self-discipline, a skill you develop...It's just being quite a bother to me and I wanted to hear some of your opinions on this issue
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Pretty sure self discipline, intelligence, and other similar factors could be genetics, although no conclusive evidence has been shown yet, so I will go with yes.
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well genetics can be one of the factors along with other things.

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Self discipline is genetic I believe.
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Pretty sure self discipline, intelligence, and other similar factors could be genetics, although no conclusive evidence has been shown yet, so I will go with yes.
I disagree, I think that obesity really is only determined on your exercise and the way you are brought up...All the studies that say parents who are obese...there children are 3 times as likely to be obese...can be answered simply...the parents eating patterns picked up by the children. If the parents are obese, and east nonstop...what will the children do? Follow their parents example...but if you have an obese parent, who starts to eat healthier...the child will most likely follow. That is not genetics to me, thats parenting...Teaching self discipline, good eating and exercise to me falls on the shoulder of the parents to teach the children...I can't see how that is something genetic.
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Well if self discipline parallels to intelligence and intelligence parallels to genetics then I would say its a genetic problem.
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no way, maybe in some extream cases, but people just need to learn to exercise and eat right.
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Well if self discipline parallels to intelligence and intelligence parallels to genetics then I would say its a genetic problem.
That is a good point, but you can be intelligent and weak minded individual. Having no self-esteem or will power. Which is also a key in self discipline
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no way, maybe in some extream cases, but people just need to learn to exercise and eat right.
I eat what ever I want and haven't exercised since this summer, are you going to say genetics has no role in it when I weigh 160 and other weigh 200+ that exercise daily?
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no way, maybe in some extream cases, but people just need to learn to exercise and eat right.
I eat what ever I want and haven't exercised since this summer, are you going to say genetics has no role in it when I weigh 160 and other weigh 200+ that exercise daily?
IT has some impact , but almost anyone can be fit if they want to, i guess that is what i am trying to say.
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Well if self discipline parallels to intelligence and intelligence parallels to genetics then I would say its a genetic problem.
That is a good point, but you can be intelligent and weak minded individual. Having no self-esteem or will power. Which is also a key in self discipline
Yes, these are general correlations not laws... I think in most cases though you will find that there is a correlation between self-esteem and will power to intelligence, similar to you will find a correlation between intelligence and prisoners, yes there will be a few stray ones, but most are below average intelligence.
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no way, maybe in some extream cases, but people just need to learn to exercise and eat right.
I eat what ever I want and haven't exercised since this summer, are you going to say genetics has no role in it when I weigh 160 and other weigh 200+ that exercise daily?
you can have a faster metabolism, but that makes you more prone to it. Not the same thing as a genetically inherit disease. You can inherit diabetes, but you are not born obese, you are born with red hair, blue eyes, or with diabetes, genetic traits that are passed on, obesity is not
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Personally I would say obesity is not a genetic disorder, but there are some genetics that enable the growth of obesity in today's society. I think if you look at the past there is little obesity today, so I think that is a telling fact that is more based on environment, and I think you would have a hard time putting genetics as a huge factor of it.
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Personally I would say obesity is not a genetic disorder, but there are some genetics that enable the growth of obesity in today's society. I think if you look at the past there is little obesity today, so I think that is a telling fact that is more based on environment, and I think you would have a hard time putting genetics as a huge factor of it.
Some people are genetically predisposed towards obesity. Like someone previously said though, having the self discipline to eat right and exercise can fight it off somewhat. In some cases though, even with good discipline, it can still be a struggle because of the genetics. So yes, genetics do play a roll.......in some people. Obesity is a huge problem in this country though and probably the majority of obese people are that way because of poor eating habits and lack of exercise, not genetics. The lack of education dealing with nutrition and health is the biggest problem because alot of people just don't know how to be healthy and they're too lazy to teach themselves. We are a fast food nation. :?
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I hate it when fat people just say its not there fault, its genetic.

**** that, eat right and exersize fatty
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Genetics can play a part in it but it definitely can be prevented no matter what type of genetics you have.
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The more research scientists do, the more we are finding out that nature is kicking nuture's ass. Which is to say that much of our temperment, sense of humor, and almost all personality traits are due to genetics. I don't see why getting fat/being lazy/liking to eat wouldn't be a part of that group.
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Genes do not make you want to gorge yourself and not workout
The more research scientists do, the more we are finding out that nature is kicking nuture's ass. Which is to say that much of our temperment, sense of humor, and almost all personality traits are due to genetics. I don't see why getting fat/being lazy/liking to eat wouldn't be a part of that group.
Personality traits are effected by genetics but not determined by them. You cannot blame obesity on genetics. Why would all of a sudden obesity be such a huge issue when at no other time in history it was? It's because people are eating poorly and not exercising.
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What about people who are genetically predisposed to be skinny? My friend Elliot doesn't ever work out and he has the worst eating habits ever, he eats nothing but brats, hamburgers, and cheetos all day every day, never any vegetables or fruits, and is one of the skinniest people I know. He also smokes like crazy and always has a beer in his hand. Obviously it can go both ways, his whole family is like that.
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What about people who are genetically predisposed to be skinny? My friend Elliot doesn't ever work out and he has the worst eating habits ever, he eats nothing but brats, hamburgers, and cheetos all day every day, never any vegetables or fruits, and is one of the skinniest people I know. He also smokes like crazy and always has a beer in his hand. Obviously it can go both ways, his whole family is like that.
it will catch up with him sooner or later.
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What about people who are genetically predisposed to be skinny? My friend Elliot doesn't ever work out and he has the worst eating habits ever, he eats nothing but brats, hamburgers, and cheetos all day every day, never any vegetables or fruits, and is one of the skinniest people I know. He also smokes like crazy and always has a beer in his hand. Obviously it can go both ways, his whole family is like that.
it will catch up with him sooner or later.
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What about people who are genetically predisposed to be skinny? My friend Elliot doesn't ever work out and he has the worst eating habits ever, he eats nothing but brats, hamburgers, and cheetos all day every day, never any vegetables or fruits, and is one of the skinniest people I know. He also smokes like crazy and always has a beer in his hand. Obviously it can go both ways, his whole family is like that.
it will catch up with him sooner or later.
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