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Old 05-18-2007, 01:28 AM    (permalink
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QB - Peyton Manning
RB - State the bleedingly obvious
FB - Lorenzo Neal
WR - Marvin Harrison
OT - Marcus McNeil
OG - Steve Hutchinson
C - Nick Mangold
DE - Julius Peppers
DT - Vince Wilfork
OLB - Shawne Merriman/AJ Hawk
MLB - Brian Urlacher
CB - Champ Bailey
S - Ed Reed

Surprisingly little debate at most positions.
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QB - Peyton
HB - LT
FB - Neal
TE - Gates
WR - Chad
OT - Walter Jones
OG - Hutch
C - Kreutz

DE - Peppers
DT - Henderson
OLB - Merriman
MLB - Ray Ray
CB - Champ
S - Reed
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QB - Peyton Manning
RB - State the bleedingly obvious
FB - Lorenzo Neal
WR - Marvin Harrison
OT - Marcus McNeil
OG - Steve Hutchinson
C - Nick Mangold
DE - Julius Peppers
DT - Vince Wilfork
OLB - Shawne Merriman/AJ Hawk
MLB - Brian Urlacher
CB - Champ Bailey
S - Ed Reed

Surprisingly little debate at most positions.
i aree. very surprising. 3 rookies from last year make the all-nfl team. whats most surprising though is a vikings fan putting aj hawk on the list
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QB - Chad Hutchinson
OG - Steve Hutchinson
WR - Kenneth Hutchinson
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QB - Peyton Manning
RB - LaDanian Tomlinson
WR - Steve Smith
TE - Gonzalez
OT - Walter Jones
OG - Steve Hutchinson
C - Olin Kreutz

DE - Julius Peppers
DT - Shaun Rogers (when motivated) or stroud
WLB (43) - Will Witherspoon
MLB - Brian Urlacher
OLB (34) - Shawne Merriman
CB - Champ Bailey
FS - Ed Reed
SS - Adrian Wilson
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Old 05-18-2007, 08:48 AM    (permalink
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no love by anyone for Jason Taylor? He only won Defensive PoY

QB Peyton
WR Holy
RB LT
FB Neal
OT Walter Jones
C Kreutz
OG Hutchinson
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QB - Peyton Manning
RB - LaDanian Tomlinson
FB - Lorenzo Neal
WR - Steve Smith/Torry Holt
TE - Antonio Gates
OT - Walter Jones
OG - Steve Hutchinson
C - Olin Kreutz

DE - Julius Peppers
DT - Marcus Stroud/Vince Wilfork
WLB - Derrick Brooks (in a 4-3, he can play in that right?)
MLB - Brian Urlacher
OLB - Shawne Merriman (in a 3-4)
CB - Champ Bailey
S - Ed Reed
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Old 05-18-2007, 09:37 AM    (permalink
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QB: Peyton Manning
RB: LaDainian Tomlinson
FB: Lorenzo Neal
WR: Steve Smith
TE: Antonio Gates
OT: Orlando Pace
OG: Steve Hutchinson
C: Olin Kreutz

DE: Julius Peppers
DT: John Henderson
OLB: Shawne Merriman
MLB: Brian Urlacher
CB: Champ Bailey
S: Ed Reed
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Old 05-18-2007, 09:47 AM    (permalink
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QB - Peyton Manning
RB - LT
FB - Alstott
WR - Chad Johnson (he backs up his talk, and has the height)
TE - Antonio Gates
OT - Walter Jones
OG - Chad Hutchinson
C - Olin Kruetz
DE - Julius Peppers
DT - Tommie Harris
OLB - Shawne Merriman
MLB - Brian Urlacher (One of the best to ever play IMO)
CB - Champ Bailey
S - Sean Taylor and Ed Reed are too close for me to name

Most of your picks were fairly good, so I stayed with them.
chad johnson is only 6'1. thats pretty much average for a reciever.


anyways, the best are obvious. im going to make an all second-level team.

QB- Carson Palmer
RB- Stephen Jackson
WR- Anquan Boldin
WR-Santana Moss
WR- Braylon Edwards
TE- Alge Crumpler
OT- Levi Jones
OG- Alan Faneca
C- Nick Mangold
OG- Logan Mankins
OT- Dbrick


DE- Simeon Rice
NT- VInce Wilfork
DT- Mike Patterson
DE- Osi Umenyora (sp?)
OLB- Derrick Brooks
MLB- Nick Barnett
OLB- Julian Peterson
CB- Rasheen Mathis
FS- Bob Sanders
SS- Sean Jones
CB- Jonathon Joseph (had to have one homer pick right?)
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Old 05-18-2007, 10:05 AM    (permalink
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QB: Peyton Manning
RB: Ladanian Tomlinson
FB: Lorenzo Neal
WR: Marvin Harrison
TE: Antonio Gates
OT: Jamaal Brown
OG: Shawn Andrews
C: Olin Kreutz

43DE: Jason Taylor
34DE: Ty Warren
DT: John Henderson
NT: Jamaal Williams
34OLB: Shawn Merriman
34ILB: Larry Foote
43OLB: Julian Peterson
43ILB: Brian Urlacher
CB: Champ Bailey
FS: Ed Reed
SS: Adrian Wilson

K: Adam Vinatieri
P: Brian Moorman
KR: Devin Hester
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Old 05-18-2007, 10:24 AM    (permalink
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QB- Tom Brady-has done more with less than anybody in recent memory.
RB- LT-duh
WR- Steve Smith-this time last year was being called the best by everybody.
WR- Chad Johnson-a do it all receiver
TE- Antonio Gates-almost unstoppable
LT-Marcus McNiel -could go w/ a pop. name but no LT dominated like he did.
LG- Steve Hutchinson-tempted to put Faneca here
C- Olin Kreutz
RG- Shawn Andrews
RT- Mark Tauscher-at a position regarded as a revolving door on most teams he's been starting since his rookie year as a 6th round pick, with results.


DE- Aaron Kampman-the stats don't lie folks
NT- Jamal Williams-a man and a half
DT- Richard Seymour-versatility, of course he can play 4-3 DT!
DE- Julius Peppers-beastly, give a 3-4 look, rush him & Merriman, yikes!

SLB- Shawne Merriman-some flaws in coverage, but everybody else is great in coverage, you won't run on him, plus he'll knock out the opposing QB.
MLB- Brian Urlacher-Wish I could Lewis here, but Urlacher sits atop the throne
WLB- Julian Peterson-Best WLB, quit putting D. Brooks, if he's the best then so is Ray Lewis.

CB- Chris MaCalister (sp?)-still the 2nd best corner.
S- Ed Reed
S- Brian Dawkins
CB- Champ Bailey-duh
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[quote=Finsfan79;402501]no love by anyone for Jason Taylor? He only won Defensive PoY

Ya there is no denying that he is a great player, but he is not the best any any position... he is kinda a hybrid OLB and DE now not a pure defensive end like he used to be.
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Old 05-18-2007, 10:39 AM    (permalink
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QB:Peyton Manning
RB: LaDainian Tomlinson
FB: Lorenzo Neal
WR: Chad Johnson
TE: Antonio Gates
OT: Walter Jones
OG: Shawn Andrews
C: Olin Kreutz

DE: Julius Peppers
DT: Jon Henderson
OLB: Demarcus Ware
MLB: Brian Urlacher
CB: Champ Bailey
S: Ed Reed

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Old 05-18-2007, 10:56 AM    (permalink
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I'm going to agree with that; the only MLB who is better than Urlacher currently would be Vilma if he was in 4-3. Also, what's up with the boners for Thomas all of the sudden? He's good but he's not better than Merriman, Bulluck, Peterson, or a few others.
People forget Peterson is an equally "freakish" athlete and he too can play multiple positions on the field among other things. He doesn't get much attention playing out in Seattle.
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QB: Peyton
HB: LT
FB: Neal
TE: Tony Gonzalez (he can still put up numbers with the best of then and is about to break a few TE recieveing records)
WR: Chad Johnson
OT: Walter Jones
OG: Steve Hutchenson
C: Olin Kruetz


DE: Dwight Freeney
DT: John Henderson
OLB: DeMarcus Ware
MLB: Brian Urlacher
CB: Champ Bailey
S: Ed Reed
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QB - Peyton Manning
RB - LaDainain Tomlinson
FB - Lorenzo Neal
WR - Chad Johnson
TE - Kellen Winslow
LT - Jonathan Odgen
LG - Mike Wahle
C - Olin Kruetz
RG - Randy Thomas
RT - Willie Anderson
DE - Julius Peppers
DT - Kevin Williams
OLB - Jason Taylor
MLB - Ray Lewis
CB - Champ Bailey
FS - Brian Dawkins
SS - Ed Reed
K - Adam Vinatieri
P - Shane Lechler
KR - Devin Hester
PR - Devin Hester
ST - Gary Stills
HC - Bill Belichick
OC - Tom Moore
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QB- Peyton Manning
RB- LaTainian Domlinson
FB- Mack Strong
WR- Steve Smith
OT- Orlando Pace
OG- Steve Hutchinson
C- Olin Kreutz

DE- Julius Peppers
DT- Kevin Williams
OLB- Adalius Thomas
MLB- Brian Urlacher
CB- Champ Bailey
S- Ed Reed

K- Adam Vinitieri
P- Who cares
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WR-C.Johnson
TE-Gates
OT-Pace
OG-Hutch
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DT-Seymour
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it really blows my mind how many ppl think urlacher is the best mlb.....2 or 3 years ago he was no.1 on cbs sportslines most overrated player..which i completely agree with...im not sayin he is bad but he is not the best id take ray lewis and zach thomas over over him with out havin to think about it..now im about to give u some numbers to back up my opinion and dont say he has lesser stats becuz he gets double teamed or anything stupid like that becuz RL and ZT get every bit as much attention from offenses that he does....

ray lewis has avg..9.3 tkls a game over his career he has had at least 150 tkls in 4 of his 12 seasons....zach thomas has avg 9.6 tkls a game and has had 150 tkls or more in 6 of his 12 seasons...urlacher has avg 7.3 tkls a game and has had at least 150 tkls only once in his 8 seasons...also briggs actually had more solo tkls this year then urlacher...id be willin to be that zt has let had an olb on his team have more tkls then him....again im not sayin urlacher is bad....but ppl get carried away i think...i dont kno if its cuz he plays for the bears and they have a history with mlbs or what but he is not the best and im open for anyone to point out even 1 thing that shows he is better then the 2 i named
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Please just skip the QB position. Manning/Brady will start arguments that will take over the thread.
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i love the fact that ive seen as many as 3 uga players on ppls list....mack strong, champ and seymour
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it really blows my mind how many ppl think urlacher is the best mlb.....2 or 3 years ago he was no.1 on cbs sportslines most overrated player..which i completely agree with...im not sayin he is bad but he is not the best id take ray lewis and zach thomas over over him with out havin to think about it..now im about to give u some numbers to back up my opinion and dont say he has lesser stats becuz he gets double teamed or anything stupid like that becuz RL and ZT get every bit as much attention from offenses that he does....

ray lewis has avg..9.3 tkls a game over his career he has had at least 150 tkls in 4 of his 12 seasons....zach thomas has avg 9.6 tkls a game and has had 150 tkls or more in 6 of his 12 seasons...urlacher has avg 7.3 tkls a game and has had at least 150 tkls only once in his 8 seasons...also briggs actually had more solo tkls this year then urlacher...id be willin to be that zt has let had an olb on his team have more tkls then him....again im not sayin urlacher is bad....but ppl get carried away i think...i dont kno if its cuz he plays for the bears and they have a history with mlbs or what but he is not the best and im open for anyone to point out even 1 thing that shows he is better then the 2 i named
Donnie Edwards consistently is in the top five in tackles in the NFL. He's not the best, or one of the best MLB though, because stats, especially tackles are not what defines a player.

In addition you are using career numbers when the thread is asking for the best player right now. I'm not doing the research right now, but I'd be willing to bet Lewis' and Thomas' recent tackling stats are not as high as you have them for their careers.
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Donnie Edwards consistently is in the top five in tackles in the NFL. He's not the best, or one of the best MLB though, because stats, especially tackles are not what defines a player.

In addition you are using career numbers when the thread is asking for the best player right now. I'm not doing the research right now, but I'd be willing to bet Lewis' and Thomas' recent tackling stats are not as high as you have them for their careers.
go ahead and look ZT has more tkls over the last 5 years then BL
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donnie edwards avg about 7.5 tkls a game and has 3 of his 12 seasons over 150...but 1 reasons he has so many tkls is he has only missed like 3 games in 12 years
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go ahead and look ZT has more tkls over the last 5 years then BL
Okay...over the last five years. What a player did in 2001, 2002 has no bearing on the current player they are.

Urlacher is also the anchor of the strongest defense in the past 2-3 years, which is why he gets a lot of the credit he does.

And tackles are not a reliable, or strong, indicator of a player's ability or impact by any means. If it was than Edwards would be the best MLB in the NFL for the past couple years....but he clearly has not been.
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