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That defense needs to get their ish together, but it was nice to see the offense get into a rhythm. Finally.
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There's not a whole ton in the draft that would be complimentary to Gronk the way Hernandez was. We may just have to take someone because of the injury history though.
Who says they have to get an Aaron Hernandez type, though? Another full-on TE wouldn't exactly be a bad thing.
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Who says they have to get an Aaron Hernandez type, though? Another full-on TE wouldn't exactly be a bad thing.
I'm a big believer in having offensive players with distinct skillsets. A fully capable tight end wouldn't be a bad thing, but an undersized guy who can make things happen after the catch on short completions helps us a lot more.

Either way, a viable second target at that position should be a priority.
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Jace Amaro of Texas Tech is 6-5 and 260 with 4.5 speed. he'd be a perfect compliment to Gronk.
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That defense needs to get their ish together, but it was nice to see the offense get into a rhythm. Finally.
Aw come on, the defense hasn't been good the last few weeks but bear in mind they are playing without Wilfork, Kelly, Mayo, Talib and lost Gregory and Nink for large portions of yesterday's game. That is 6 starters and 3 pro bowl calibers defenders missing.

Andre Carter played significant snaps despite not doing anything in a long time. We played the bulk of the game with Jones and Vellano again as the only DTs because Sopoaga didn't have time to integrate himself in to the defense.

If Nink is good to go and Talib comes back after the bye it will become better again. Maybe not as good as the first 5 weeks but still a good unit. If the offense starts to roll with Gronk and Amendola healthy and Vereen back then this team could go on a roll
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I didn't even notice Nink went down, what happened? And anyone else seriously tearing at their hair when Gronk came up limping? Seriously at this point withhold him until the post season.
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Ha, yeah it was worrying when the announcer said he was slow to get up but I think it was probably just a dead leg. Through the bye if everyone can get healthy and Gronk just Gronks then I think we can be good.

I do worry everytime he gets hit though, probably going to be that way for a while.

I think Nink just rolled his foot or something. Was nothing major but meant Carter was playing more snaps than you would like, although he played okay rushing the passer. Was shown up in the run game though and that were Nink is really good
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Its really disappointing to think about how much better we'd be as a team without the number of injuries on defense.

With that said I'll take 7-2. Easily could be 8-1 or 9-0 but with all the struggles weve had its incredible were at 7-2. Any final record predictions going into the bye week, which BB gave the players six straight days off. Very generous of him lol. I'd say sitting around 12-4 come post season.
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Aw come on, the defense hasn't been good the last few weeks but bear in mind they are playing without Wilfork, Kelly, Mayo, Talib and lost Gregory and Nink for large portions of yesterday's game. That is 6 starters and 3 pro bowl calibers defenders missing.

Andre Carter played significant snaps despite not doing anything in a long time. We played the bulk of the game with Jones and Vellano again as the only DTs because Sopoaga didn't have time to integrate himself in to the defense.

If Nink is good to go and Talib comes back after the bye it will become better again. Maybe not as good as the first 5 weeks but still a good unit. If the offense starts to roll with Gronk and Amendola healthy and Vereen back then this team could go on a roll
Yeah, but they're not getting most of those guys back, so they can't have that excuse. They need to figure this out. I think Soap will be a huge help, but they need to make massive, sweeping improvements.
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Yeah, but they're not getting most of those guys back, so they can't have that excuse. They need to figure this out. I think Soap will be a huge help, but they need to make massive, sweeping improvements.
Oh, I know and I can't make excuses because every team will have to deal with injuries, but it is unrealistic to expect a top 5 or even 10 defense without those guys. Nink offers so much as a run defender and we had trouble setting the edge when he went out. When Talib comes back it means we can do so much more on the back end too. The defense will be better for the stretch run with both of those guys back.

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With that said I'll take 7-2. Easily could be 8-1 or 9-0 but with all the struggles weve had its incredible were at 7-2. Any final record predictions going into the bye week, which BB gave the players six straight days off. Very generous of him lol. I'd say sitting around 12-4 come post season.
I think 12-4 is realistic and if the offense clicks I think 13-3 is a possibility. Denver is obviously going to be a huge matchup and I think Carolina will be tough, although the Pats off a bye are normally money.

After that, Houston and Baltimore are always tough regardless of how they seem to be playing but right now I think the Pats will be favored in 6 of the remaining 7 games. I also think 12-4 could get us the #2 seed which would be huge. Especially since I could see KC make an early exit in the playoffs if they have to play Denver or Indy. Although if Denver beats KC twice then Denver will get homefield throughout
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There are still some rather difficult games on the schedule. Carolina's rushing attack should present some problems, and their defense is ranked second against the run and tenth against the pass. I don't expect the Patriots to beat the Broncos. The road games at Miami and at Baltimore could go either way. I'd say 11-5 or 12-4 are realistic outcomes.
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There are still some rather difficult games on the schedule. Carolina's rushing attack should present some problems, and their defense is ranked second against the run and tenth against the pass. I don't expect the Patriots to beat the Broncos. The road games at Miami and at Baltimore could go either way. I'd say 11-5 or 12-4 are realistic outcomes.
Yeah I think those are fair comments. I would actually worry more about the Texans than the Ravens though, even though historically we have had success against Houston but not necessarily Baltimore.

If Talib is back I would expect him to limit Torrey Smith. While our defensive front has been succeptible to the run, the Ravens have been really bad running the ball and Osemele is now on IR. If we can force Flacco into passing situations with Smith covered I think the defense can force mistakes.

Houston on the otherhand can run the ball and will present problems in pursuit. Without Mayo or Wilfork I think they could really have success running the ball on us. Then Johnson is having one helluva season and Nuke is a dangerous option too. Added in that Watt and Smith are playing really well and our interior o line isn't I think that could be tough.

As for the Broncos I see one major problem. I think we can score on them and Talib and Dennard should be able to slow down Thomas and Decker, but who covers Welker and Julius Thomas? Welker will eat Arrington alive and Thomas on Hightower or Harmon won't be good. Even if Gregory can play it's still a mismatch. Add in that Moreno is running the ball well and I think they will have too many options. Right now our best chance of beating Denver is late in the playoffs if Manning does Manning things in January.
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To what extent would Aqib Talib's propensity for missing games due to injury affect your feelings about signing him to a market-value deal in free agency this offseason? How much would you be willing to commit to Talib?
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We havent had a good DB in our backfield since Samuel left/McCourty's one good rookie campaign at DB. So as a Pats fan, I'm all on board even considering the injury.
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I agree. I will say, however, that I would expect the "market" to consider that and have some playing time incentives/clauses built into the offers. As long as there's reasonable security in that regard, get a deal done!
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I think the Pats will offer him good value in a contract loaded with playing time gaurantees, similar to Vollmer's. Realistically with his off field issues (although there has been nothing but praise since he got here), his injuries concerns and the fact this is the first year where he has played this well it would mean teams would be hesitant to sign him to a big contract. However, it only takes one team and we will have to see what happens. In saying that, there are some decent CBs on the free agent market next year so hopefully someone like Talib would rather take the money quickly in New England rather than wait and have what happened last year where CBs and OTs were signed to relatively low deals
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Nate Ebner is really coming on in the last few weeks as a special teamer. He's made 2 really nice plays at the 10 on the kick coverage team.
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I wonder if his past history and the Hernandez situation will impact any willingness to commit to Talib. That situation around him firing a gun at his sister's boyfriend seemed a bit murky, even with charges dropped. If I recall the brother in law was a sex offender who ended up in jail so maybe Talib deserves a merit badge or something....but he seems like a situation where Kraft may have some reservations given what this organization has gone through. I don't think Talib is going to kill people or anything but there's been other incidents inhis past and given all the attention about what the Pats knew about Hernandez's character prior to the murder charges lays a bad foundation for them to commit so soon to a questionable character guy, even if he has been a good citizen to this point.

So we should find out this week about whether or not Armstead figures into this year's roster at all, correct?
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I wouldn't mind him getting some LB time on obvious passing downs. I liked him coming out of OSU and it's good to see him doing well.
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I don't know, he is a guy who is easy to root for but we knew coming out that he was more athlete than football player and that still shows at times. On special teams he is a very good player because he doesn't need to worry about making the right call. I would much rather see Jamie Collins get more reps than Ebner
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Go get Ed Reed now!
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I'll pass. He is old and terrible. I would rather see what Wilson and Harmon can do.
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Agree to disagree. I would rather have Reed than either of those guys.
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Adrian Wilson has been on IR.
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When Reed was cut I pondered whether he would be a good addition for the Patriots, even since it'd be at a discount, but I think Belichick is more than satisfied with McCourty at FS and wants to see what Harmon looks like at SS. Also as someone mentioned earlier Ebner's been looking good lately. Gregory was able to come up and make tackles on plays below him, I don't think Reed would be effective doing that.
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