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Old 01-28-2014, 01:26 PM    (permalink
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Watching everydraft BB has had you see some similar patterns

Round 1 - 4 Down players
Round 2 - Gamble on high risk/reward
Round 3 - Part time player depth, developmentmental
Round 4 - BPA after re-organization of board
Round 5-UDFA - ST or longterm development
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Revisionist history is the right phrase, imo. +rep (if I can) for AntoinCD. The only truly bash-able point is the total lack of attempts to fill the vacant pass rusher spot that has been a glaring hole since Vrabel hit the cliff and was traded.

WR has had plenty of attention. DB has had plenty of attention. Hell, even TE is a running joke for us Pats fans as we pretty much never rule out a round 1/2 TE. Center is probably the only other spot that has needed some attention but even that came with rumors that there was interest in Mack +/- Pouncey.
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I think the media should rephrase how they discuss Ron Rivera as coach of the year. He didn't win because of low expectations (something Belichick's teams haven't had for some time), but because he did a damn good job this year. I still think Belichick deserved it more, but I think it's a bit much to talk about how he was on the hot seat this year as a reason to justify giving him the award.

Honestly, I thought it was a bad joke that Brady got an AP vote for MVP. He was good, but not that good and the running game and defense won as many games as he did. Manning literally won tons of games for the Broncos and did it by breaking (shattering?) records. It was clearly Manning except for two weeks that the media sensationalized the good Brady games.

Honestly, it was just Belichick pulling a rabbit out of his ass this year.
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Best thing to have happen to us this season was losing to Denver in the AFC championship.
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Yeah Seattle would have raped us too, just too good a defense. Although I think they matched up better against Denver than they would against the Pats.

The Broncos seemingly just sacrificed Decker yesterday putting him on Sherman and not looking his way. Hell the Pats could do that with Thompkins and not miss much. Vereen would have been the advantage the Pats could use against Seattle. Denver can't do that with their RBs. Although, the thought of Marshawn Lynch running on the Pats is enough to give anyone nightmares. The Broncos actually did a decent job of bottling him up. The Seahawks offense wasn't actually impressive, sans a few Harvin moments, but the Broncos secondary was terribad. Champ got destroyed by Baldwin on the fade and both Kearse and Baldwin made about 6 players look stupid on their TDs.

In saying that I don't know if any team could do much against that defense. They were already amazing but saved their best game for the Superbowl.
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Now we get to hear about how Manning is a choke artist instead of hearing that about Brady all off season. Really, they saved us from a long off season.
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Yeah, neither QB was going to win that game, but given the choice I would rather the media and all the casual fans talk about how Manning still can't play well in the playoffs rather than those same people talk about how Brady has lost his magic
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Overall guys, that was a fun season given what it could have turned into. On the completely other end of that statement, its a little disappointing to know if we stayed healthy what we could have done as well. Oh well, we had some of the best come backs Ive ever seen this team stage, we just down right refused to lose so many games we should have, and even the oens we did lose generally came down to last possession games. BB did a remarkable job with this team. A good off season and we still remain viable contenders for the AFC.
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Overall guys, that was a fun season given what it could have turned into. On the completely other end of that statement, its a little disappointing to know if we stayed healthy what we could have done as well. Oh well, we had some of the best come backs Ive ever seen this team stage, we just down right refused to lose so many games we should have, and even the oens we did lose generally came down to last possession games. BB did a remarkable job with this team. A good off season and we still remain viable contenders for the AFC.
I agree with all of that. Gutsy year by the team and a great coaching job, most teams would have not handled all of the adversity going all the way back to Hernandez as well as the Pats did.

I am sad about losing Dante Scarnecchia and Pepper Johnson, we have a revolving door of assistants but those two have been mainstays.

P.S. I am very jealous of the Seahwaks roster.
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Simple question: Tag Talib?
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No. Will count roughly $11m against the cap which gives us one year of Talib and no flexibility to do anything else.

Go in with a number and don't waiver. I would be hesitant to go above $8m per year. We are more than just Aqib Talib away from being realistic contenders. Without him it will hurt but it will hurt just as much with him if we can't bring anyone else in.
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I think $32/4 is where I'd max out on him.
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Would you tag with the intention to just prolong negotiations for a long term deal?
Just to make it exlusive negotiating?
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Just to make it exlusive negotiating?
I think it would really cut down on the flexibility we would have. There is also the risk that Talib would hold out which obviously wouldn't be good either. And, if a new deal doesn't get done he will almost certainly leave next year
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I'm not convinced he's worth signing long term, to be honest. He's an injury prone (soft) CB who has a history of problems off the field. He's been good in NE, but both years were contract years.

I see a case of the "got paid" coming.
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I wouldn't tag Talib. I think he knows how much he benefits from the structure of this team, and I think he'll do everything he can to stay in New England if a reasonable deal can be worked out. Not a guy who's going to be looking to jump ship.

There isn't anyone for the Pats to tag.
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What about other CBs besides Talib that are FA's?
Grime? Verner? DRC? I'm sure there are a couple more.
Any realistic chance we attempt to sign one of them if Talib doesn't work?
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Yeah, they'd go after the free agents that are out there. Those guys can all fit in. I think Talib is just better than those guys, though.
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I'd be happy enough going with Logan Ryan, Alfonzo Dennard, and Kyle Arrington as the cornerbacks next year, although I do want to bring in a couple of guys for depth, one boundary guy to prevent Arrington from having to play outside when someone gets hurt, and a backup slot guy.
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However, I would rather go for Verner than Talib. Some stats from PFF:

Cover snaps/target, cover snaps/catch, yards/cover snap:

Verner: 7.4 / 15.0 / 0.99
Talib: 6.9 / 12.8 / 1.22

Passing against:

Verner: 39/79 (49.4%), 579 yards (7.33), 2 TD, 5 INT, 14 PD, 55.8
Talib: 38/71 (53.5%), 596 yards (8.39), 3 TD, 4 INT, 7 PD, 72.3

Verner's also younger, has played in every game over the course of his career, was also terrific in the slot, and doesn't have some of the past drug/legal concerns Talib has had. He's also been great every year, whereas Talib has been very overrated every year other than this one.
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However, I would rather go for Verner than Talib. Some stats from PFF:

Cover snaps/target, cover snaps/catch, yards/cover snap:

Verner: 7.4 / 15.0 / 0.99
Talib: 6.9 / 12.8 / 1.22

Passing against:

Verner: 39/79 (49.4%), 579 yards (7.33), 2 TD, 5 INT, 14 PD, 55.8
Talib: 38/71 (53.5%), 596 yards (8.39), 3 TD, 4 INT, 7 PD, 72.3

Verner's also younger, has played in every game over the course of his career, was also terrific in the slot, and doesn't have some of the past drug/legal concerns Talib has had. He's also been great every year, whereas Talib has been very overrated every year other than this one.
I thought is was clear Verner was the cream of the crop this FA class though? Just that we know what Talib is proven in our system already so let's just stick to what we know and hopefully get a hometown discount, if possible. Verner on the other hand will be expensive.
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I think there is a big difference between Talib and some of the other guys in FA this year. Yes Verner is a really good CB but I wouldn't say he is better than Talib. Brent Grimes, should he hit the market is another really good CB but once again I don't think he is as good as Talib. Same with DRC etc.

None of those guys, IMO, could allow the Pats to do what they did against Jimmy Graham as an example. Or Julio Jones, or AJ Green.

Talib is a matchup CB who can, when on his game, shut down the games best. What he allows this defense to do goes way beyond PFF numbers. Plus you have the chemistry that has been built up already. Why mess with that to save $1m?

I would also argue against some of the other CBs over Talib for differing reasons.

DRC has been greatly inconsistent his whole career and also gets those niggly injuries that Talib gets

Grimes had a real bad injury and will cost a lot this year, if he doesn't get tagged or resigned in Miami.

Verner has had one year of elite production. He has been very good previously but not as good as this year in a contract year. Is that not a potential worry in itself?
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Too busy to make a detailed post about it, but in summation

I'd go >$8 million for Talib

We'd be absolutely foolish to let him go and leave Dennard, Ryan, and Arrington to get bumped up a spot.

PFF coverage snaps don't really mean much to me at all. Logan Ryan's coverage grade is way more impressive than Talib's, but it would be ridiculous to suggest that he had the better season. I can't say I know what the situation was like for Alterraun Verner, but I would imagine it's fairly unlikely he shadowed the other teams top target, big receiver or fast receiver, around the field like Talib did.

I mean the man in 13 games essentially shadowed S. Johnson, Hill, V. Jackson, J. Jones, Green, Graham, S. Smith, D. Thomas, A. Johnson, Gordon, Wallace, T. Smith, and Woods, and he put up the stat line cited before.

We're going to rake him over the coals because he had 2 bad games against Steve Smith and Josh Gordon? Yes, he gets hurt more than we would like, but he's been a difference maker everytime he's been healthy. He's really only 1 of 3 guys who we have on our team who meet that criteria.

We've been losing in the playoffs because nobody has been stepping up and making plays, now people think that we should jettison one of the few players on the team who can get hot, and help us win games over the 3-4 game stretch we need to win in the playoffs, all over a couple million in perceived value.

I hate our 4 quarters = $1 approach to personnel sometimes. The strength of our coaching staff has always been producing quarters. So why are we paying the Arrington, Amendola, and Gregory's of the world a combined $10 when we've proven that we can take the Edelman, Harmon, and Ryan's of the world to fill in those spots. The difference between Talib and Dennard in tools and impact exceeds the difference between the original 3 and the replacement 3.

It is imperative that we keep Talib.

Sorry I thought this post would be short when I started it..
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