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Old 11-21-2006, 05:42 PM    (permalink
 
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Yes i believe Gonzo should be 1st team, and so do the coaches. One poster on an NFL site seems to disagree.....SO WHAT?
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Old 11-21-2006, 05:44 PM    (permalink
 
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Yes i believe Gonzo should be 1st team, and so do the coaches. One poster on an NFL site seems to disagree.....SO WHAT?
Actually of three people that have posted on the subject, two of them have said Hardy deserves it more. Explain why Gonzalez deserves it more.
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Old 11-21-2006, 05:46 PM    (permalink
 
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I dont care if 100 posters think Hardy is better, there just posters!!!!

Big Ten coaches are the only important variable here, and they allready spoke their minds in the matter.

If you wanna make up an awards show where the posters get to pick who wins, your free to do so......
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I dont care if 100 posters think Hardy is better, there just posters!!!!

Big Ten coaches are the only important variable here, and they allready spoke their minds in the matter.

If you wanna make up an awards show where the posters get to pick who wins, your free to do so......
See there you go again complete avoiding the question asked to you.
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Old 11-21-2006, 05:49 PM    (permalink
 
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Your making it seem as though posters have more knowledge about a player than the coaches, and it is complete ludacris to think that. The coaches opinions are held in much higher regard than a message boards!

Please try to understand that
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Old 11-21-2006, 05:50 PM    (permalink
 
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Your making it seem as though posters have more knowledge about a player than the coaches, and it is complete ludacris to think that. The coaches opinions are held in much higher regard than a message boards!

Please try to understand that
Just because you're a complete idiot doesn't mean other posters are. I have deep respect for coaches but I trust the Media more in ranking teams and players, because they see more games of them. Again, you have yet to answer my question.
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Old 11-21-2006, 05:54 PM    (permalink
 
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Just because you're a complete idiot doesn't mean other posters are. I have deep respect for coaches but I trust the Media more in ranking teams and players, because they see more games of them. Again, you have yet to answer my question.
Come to me when you wanna make sence or bring up a good point. Go cry to the coaches or something, not me!
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Old 11-21-2006, 05:55 PM    (permalink
 
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Just because you're a complete idiot doesn't mean other posters are. I have deep respect for coaches but I trust the Media more in ranking teams and players, because they see more games of them. Again, you have yet to answer my question.
Come to me when you wanna make sence or bring up a good point. Go cry to the coaches or something, not me!
You're talking about people making points and making sense? And for the fourth post in a row, you haven't answered my question.
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Just because you're a complete idiot doesn't mean other posters are. I have deep respect for coaches but I trust the Media more in ranking teams and players, because they see more games of them. Again, you have yet to answer my question.
Come to me when you wanna make sence or bring up a good point. Go cry to the coaches or something, not me!
"sence" doesn't make sense. In your face!!! BOOYA!!
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Old 11-21-2006, 06:01 PM    (permalink
 
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HERE is your answer:

GONZALEZ deserves it more because..........HE ACTUALLY WON!!!!

are you going to need counsiling to be able to reconsil with this decision made by the Big Ten coaches?

PS - your a poster, not a scout or talent evaluator, your opinion means squat compared to these coaches.
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Mike Hass >> Anthony Gonzalez
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Old 11-21-2006, 06:04 PM    (permalink
 
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Jerry Rice >>>>> Mike Hass
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HERE is your answer:

GONZALEZ deserves it more because..........HE ACTUALLY WON!!!!

are you going to need counsiling to be able to reconsil with this decision made by the Big Ten coaches?

PS - your a poster, not a scout or talent evaluator, your opinion means squat compared to these coaches.
You still haven't explain why you yourself believe he is the better player. I'm sorry but "because the Big Ten coaches said so", isn't a good reason.
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Jerry Rice >>>>> Mike Hass
I was on the edge about that one but I'll agree with you. :roll:
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Lol, clevelands posts are gone, cards is arguing with her/himself
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Old 11-22-2006, 01:37 AM    (permalink
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Long over thomas for OL of the year, LOVE IT 8)
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Old 11-22-2006, 08:43 AM    (permalink
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Troy Smith wasn't a Unanimous decision for first team QB. One coach voted for someone else.

Rumors are that it was Joe Tiller, but no one really knows. It's funny, because he's being talked about as the almost unanimous Heisman winner, yet someone voted for someone else. But since Cleveland31 puts so much credit into the Big 10 coaches as a whole, I guess this could mean something. :P
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Old 11-22-2006, 08:51 AM    (permalink
 
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Well now i look like an idiot.
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Old 11-22-2006, 05:35 PM    (permalink
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Wow, what a snub of Travis Beckum. Rivals has him rated as the #1 TE in that nation (appropriately, he leads all te's in the nation with 821 yards receiving, after a slow start since he was moving over from defensive end/linebacker) and yet he didn't make even the 2nd team big ten with the coaches. Many Iowa fans thought Chandler was crap this year. Long over Joe Thomas as OL of the year? Yeah, if they say so. Manningham missed a lot of games and as a result his body of work wasn't all that extensive. I think that spot should have gone to Bryant from Purdue or Hardy from Indiana. Both those players were better than the 2 who did make it. There was a lot of OSU and Michigan bias in these. Just because they are great teams doesn't mean nearly everyone at every position is the best for them.
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Wow, what a snub of Travis Beckum. Rivals has him rated as the #1 TE in that nation (appropriately, he leads all te's in the nation with 821 yards receiving, after a slow start since he was moving over from defensive end/linebacker) and yet he didn't make even the 2nd team big ten with the coaches. Many Iowa fans thought Chandler was crap this year. Long over Joe Thomas as OL of the year? Yeah, if they say so. Manningham missed a lot of games and as a result his body of work wasn't all that extensive. I think that spot should have gone to Bryant from Purdue or Hardy from Indiana. Both those players were better than the 2 who did make it. There was a lot of OSU and Michigan bias in these. Just because they are great teams doesn't mean nearly everyone at every position is the best for them.
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Beckum definately should be on it over Chandler.
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Old 11-22-2006, 11:47 PM    (permalink
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James Hardy is in the same breath as Calvin Johnson. Both are beasts at WR (when thrown to) and are gamebreaking type players. Gonzalez is the product of Troy Smith and the players around him. Sure he is good but no where near James Hardy good. If Hardy had a QB as good as Smith or Henne he would put up Randy Moss numbers and destroy teams on a weekly basis. Oh, I was a little surprised Tony Hunt didn't make first team but I can live with 2nd team. Penn State wouldn't have won 3 games without him but I guess the coaches know best.
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