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4-3 without a doubt.
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I would go 3-4 because more teams run the 4-3, so 3-4 prospects would be easier to find later in the draft, also teams that run the 3-4 have had a lot of sucess from what I've seen.

Why is there no Cover 2 option? The two best teams in the NFL run it.
The Cowboys and Chargers both run 3-4 silly.
The Bears run the 4-3...
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Speaking of a cover 2, what are the basics of that scheme.
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I would go 3-4 because more teams run the 4-3, so 3-4 prospects would be easier to find later in the draft, also teams that run the 3-4 have had a lot of sucess from what I've seen.

Why is there no Cover 2 option? The two best teams in the NFL run it.
The Cowboys and Chargers both run 3-4 silly.
The Bears run the 4-3...
...and so do the Bills!
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Speaking of a cover 2, what are the basics of that scheme.
DL generates pressure, LBs are fast and get after the ball. Gives up size for speed. Rarely blitz. A lot of zone coverage.
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I would go 3-4 because more teams run the 4-3, so 3-4 prospects would be easier to find later in the draft, also teams that run the 3-4 have had a lot of sucess from what I've seen.

Why is there no Cover 2 option? The two best teams in the NFL run it.
The Cowboys and Chargers both run 3-4 silly.
The Bears run the 4-3...
The run the Cover Two variation.
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I would go 3-4 because more teams run the 4-3, so 3-4 prospects would be easier to find later in the draft, also teams that run the 3-4 have had a lot of sucess from what I've seen.

Why is there no Cover 2 option? The two best teams in the NFL run it.
The Cowboys and Chargers both run 3-4 silly.
Yep the 6-4 Cowboys are one of the two best teams in the league. :roll:

As for the question, I've never liked the 3-4 for one reason or another but I think it is the better defense, because you have essentially 3 DT's on your line and have two OLB's that can edge rush or cover. I just think you can do more with it.
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i think that the 3-4 is a more versatile defense as you can change it up as the placement, you can put an LB with his hand down to make it the 4-3, etc. I personally dont think that either of them is better, i think that it totally depends on the talent of the team
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Don't believe me? Think about who has the best run defenses in the league. Dallas, Pittsburgh, and SD. All 3-4 teams. Who has the best pass defenses? Generally Cover 2 teams, built on speed and 4-3 fronts, like the Bears.
Minnesota has been very stout against the run and weak against the pass and they run the cover 2. Although I would probably attribute this to Pat Williams not being a prototypical one gap DT.

The growing popularity of the cover two is mainly due to the lack corner backs that have the athletic ability to play man coverage effectively with the new illegal contact rules. Teams are realizing that they cant leave their corner backs on island hence the safety help and dedication to pass rush with the dline.

I think you discriminate against the Tampa 2 unfairly because you assume old school ideals that the DT must be the anchors of run defense. The cover 2 can be very stout against the run because jsut like the pass rush comes from unconventional sources (DT's) the run defense comes from unconventional sources (cornerbacks and safetys). Defensive backs have an active roll in the run defense and must always be physical and swarm to the ball. It requires discipline and great instincts from all the players behind the dline. Its affectionally called being "gap sound".

Ill admit that Chicago will be less likely stop numerous run plays up the middle on a dime like say the Jaguars. Mistakes by linebackers and dbs will result in a few runs here and there. But the Chicago dlne will be more likely to occasionly break into the backfield and disrupt running plays before they start(see Tommie Harris) Its a give and take. A big weakness of this approach altough is when probowl DB's like Mike Brown or Bob Sanders with great instincts against th run go down to injury, the run D suffers immensely. I have a theory that it is because of their active roll in the run and their smaller sizes than the running backs their throwing themselves at that contribute to their injury problems.

Still the biggest advantage of the Tampa 2 in my opinion is being able to have a shut down pass D without breaking the bank on shutdown cornerbacks like Champ Bailey.
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The Vikings also don't have the normal cover 2 players.
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Notice the two Tampa 2 "letdowns" in the playoffs last year were Indy and Chicago. Both teams lost their SS for the game. I think these were bigger factors than the dlines.
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I would go 3-4 because more teams run the 4-3, so 3-4 prospects would be easier to find later in the draft, also teams that run the 3-4 have had a lot of sucess from what I've seen.

Why is there no Cover 2 option? The two best teams in the NFL run it.
The Cowboys and Chargers both run 3-4 silly.
The Bears run the 4-3...
The run the Cover Two variation.
Damn, you're right. Totally slipped my mind.
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My defense.

OE- Jason Taylor
DT- Richard Seymour
NT- Jamal Williams
DE- Julius Peppers

WLB- Keith Bulluck
MLB- Brian Urlacher
SLB- Adalius Thomas/Marcus Washington
can play 3/4 or 4/3
That is the point. That is my hybrid defense.
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My defense.

OE- Jason Taylor
DT- Richard Seymour
NT- Jamal Williams
DE- Julius Peppers

WLB- Keith Bulluck
MLB- Brian Urlacher
SLB- Adalius Thomas/Marcus Washington
can play 3/4 or 4/3
That is the point. That is my hybrid defense.

he is my Defensive Player of the year so far

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My defense.

OE- Jason Taylor
DT- Richard Seymour
NT- Jamal Williams
DE- Julius Peppers

WLB- Keith Bulluck
MLB- Brian Urlacher
SLB- Adalius Thomas/Marcus Washington
can play 3/4 or 4/3
That is the point. That is my hybrid defense.

he is my Defensive Player of the year so far

9 SACKS
2 INTS
40 TACKLES
7 FORCE FUMBLES
2 TOUCHDOWNSS
100 RETURN YARDS

also like 100 hurries

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My defense.

OE- Jason Taylor
DT- Richard Seymour
NT- Jamal Williams
DE- Julius Peppers

WLB- Keith Bulluck
MLB- Brian Urlacher
SLB- Adalius Thomas/Marcus Washington
can play 3/4 or 4/3
That is the point. That is my hybrid defense.

he is my Defensive Player of the year so far

9 SACKS
2 INTS
40 TACKLES
7 FORCE FUMBLES
2 TOUCHDOWNSS
100 RETURN YARDS

also like 100 hurries

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Speaking of a cover 2, what are the basics of that scheme.
DL generates pressure, LBs are fast and get after the ball. Gives up size for speed. Rarely blitz. A lot of zone coverage.
Cover 2


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The basic premise of the Cover 2 and Tampa 2 is that everybody drops back into zone coverage and the front four generate a pass rush. The advantage is that you don't need to play man-to-man, it can be difficult to be beaten deep, and you can create a lot of turnovers. The disadvantage is that their are soft spots in the zone that can be taken advantage of and it's tough to get pressure on the quarterback with only four pass rushers.
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