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The Raiders run the 4-3.
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uhh no.the raiders d is definetely one of the most underated in the nfl.though you would have seen that when they crushed the cards.
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The Raiders run the 4-3.
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uhh no.the raiders d is definetely one of the most underated in the nfl.though you would have seen that when they crushed the cards.
It was a joke buddy calm down. And you far from "crushed" us.
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It depends on your division as i think you build to battle inthe division first.


so if you were in a pass happy division. I would def run the 3-4. It creates mismatches and add pass rushers with usually more speed.

but in a run happy division i would run 4-3. As it adds more lineman to help clog the lanes and keeps the blockers off your LBs
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How so? The 3-4 is great against the run, if you have the right personnel for it.
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Speaking of defenses, the one I love, is what Rex Ryan is running in Baltimore. It is insane to watch, the schemes, versatility, innovation. You cannot really classify it as any specific kind of defense, they call it "controlled chaos." It's amazing their own players know what to do.
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heck yea we show so many fronts, we switch from a 4-3 to a 3-4 at basically any play. The only thing I dont like about the D if Reed plays a lot of Cover 2 and not the way he won DPOY award.
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heck yea we show so many fronts, we switch from a 4-3 to a 3-4 at basically any play. The only thing I dont like about the D if Reed plays a lot of Cover 2 and not the way he won DPOY award.
that is also what i like about the niners defense as it is basically the same thing as nolan was the defensive coordinator in baltimore before coming over to san francisco.
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Thanks draftguru, you just gave me the perfect setup to rip into the Cover 2.

Cover 2 S UCKS

Defenses weren't meant to be wimpy. Those small quickies could get owned by the big overpowering olinemen I would build my offense around. Speed kills. Kills your run defense that is. Ive said it before and I'll say it again, any style defense who's major weakness is against the power run, and is built to stop the pass is not a good base defense. You cannot be an elite defense in this league either if you cannot play man coverage. And the small secondaries of the Cover 2 cannot hold up in their man assignments.

Cover 2 can't defend the TE entirely well either. And its too basic of a scheme. Come December when teams look at a year of tape and analyze your weaknesses, the Cover 2 scheme has no answer. Its too basic of a scheme, and you won't confuse any qbs with it.

Cover 2 can work, I won't deny that. But its just not my cup of tea. Theres too many inherit flaws in the philosophy. I grew up playing smashmouth football, and the Cover 2's philosophies go against most of the principles I grew up playing and believing in.
Tell that to the best defense in the NFL. :P 8)
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Tell that to the best defense in the NFL. :P 8)

Well you guys aren't the typical. Most Tampa 2 schemes involve small linebackers, you have a 250-lbs beast in the middle. That helps a lot against the run.
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Cover 2 can work, I won't deny that. But its just not my cup of tea. Theres too many inherit flaws in the philosophy. I grew up playing smashmouth football, and the Cover 2's philosophies go against most of the principles I grew up playing and believing in.
BBD, the correct terminology you're looking for is "Tampa 2." Jacksonville runs almost exclusively cover 2 and cover 3, but they have two beast interior tackles. Whereas in the Tony Dungy system, what you are referring to, almost everyone is undersized.
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Tell that to the best defense in the NFL. :P 8)

Well you guys aren't the typical. Most Tampa 2 schemes involve small linebackers, you have a 250-lbs beast in the middle. That helps a lot against the run.
Not to mention he's surrounded by two 240 lbs. linebackers outside of him.
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Even their D-Line is bigger than usual for the scheme. Same with Minnesota. It's Indianapolis, with their reliance on extremely undersized D-Line and LBs that are the example of what can happen when you rely too much on speed. I think Indy's problem is they have too much money tied into the offense, they cannot get the talent, other Tampa 2 teams have. Thus they have been consistently bad. The system only works when you have elite players at every position.
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Cover 2 can work, I won't deny that. But its just not my cup of tea. Theres too many inherit flaws in the philosophy. I grew up playing smashmouth football, and the Cover 2's philosophies go against most of the principles I grew up playing and believing in.
BBD, the correct terminology you're looking for is "Tampa 2." Jacksonville runs almost exclusively cover 2 and cover 3, but they have two beast interior tackles. Whereas in the Tony Dungy system, what you are referring to, almost everyone is undersized.
This is true. Something tells me that the Jaguars blitz a little more than they did last year, but I don't know that for sure, and it's still not enough to call the Jags' D a blitzing one.
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Speaking of defenses, the one I love, is what Rex Ryan is running in Baltimore. It is insane to watch, the schemes, versatility, innovation. You cannot really classify it as any specific kind of defense, they call it "controlled chaos." It's amazing their own players know what to do.
Miami does it too, and Jason Taylor is better than anyone on the Ravens front 7. He goes everywhere.
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Does Miami ever run a formation with their "MIKE" at the FS position? Baltimore does. :shock:
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Does Miami ever run a formation with their "MIKE" at the FS position? Baltimore does. :shock:
Um, yea that is just nuts. But Keith Traylor does play LB from time to time.
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Adalius Thomas is a beast. Even more versatile than the great Jason Taylor, and I think he weighs more too.

Anyway, I'd go for the 4-3. Never really been a fan of the 3-4, unless teams use it sparingly or you're Dallas where I just happen to like most of their players. I just think a dominant front seven in the 4-3 is better than the same in a 3-4.
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Adalius Thomas is a beast. Even more versatile than the great Jason Taylor, and I think he weighs more too.

Anyway, I'd go for the 4-3. Never really been a fan of the 3-4, unless teams use it sparingly or you're Dallas where I just happen to like most of their players. I just think a dominant front seven in the 4-3 is better than the same in a 3-4.
He still can't do the things Jason does, and the only position he lines up at that JT doesn't is safety, which Thomas doesn't do that much.
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Adalius Thomas is a beast. Even more versatile than the great Jason Taylor, and I think he weighs more too.

Anyway, I'd go for the 4-3. Never really been a fan of the 3-4, unless teams use it sparingly or you're Dallas where I just happen to like most of their players. I just think a dominant front seven in the 4-3 is better than the same in a 3-4.
He still can't do the things Jason does, and the only position he lines up at that JT doesn't is safety, which Thomas doesn't do that much.
Taylor lines up at CB? But yeah. I love Jason Taylor, but really, he can do things Adalius can't at DE, and Adalius can do things he can't just about everywhere else. Both are beasts though.
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Adalius playing CB is blown up too much because all he really does is play LB really wide, all he does is jam the receiver and play the flats.

Really though, imagine if Miami signs him in the offseason to play SLB. That would be ridiculous.
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Adalius playing CB is blown up too much because all he really does is play LB really wide, all he does is jam the receiver and play the flats.
Really though, imagine if Miami signs him in the offseason to play SLB. That would be ridiculous.

He actually played man-to-man against Chad Johnson

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...mas/index.html

He is a beast, if he gets into a permanant 3-4 D he will be a DPOY candidate.
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Adalius playing CB is blown up too much because all he really does is play LB really wide, all he does is jam the receiver and play the flats.
Really though, imagine if Miami signs him in the offseason to play SLB. That would be ridiculous.

He actually played man-to-man against Chad Johnson

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...mas/index.html

He is a beast, if he gets into a permanant 3-4 D he will be a DPOY candidate.
That is exactly what I said, he jams the receiver. :?
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