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Old 05-28-2007, 09:45 AM    (permalink
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Ty Law hasnt been top 5 since '04

give it up. He had 10 INTs 2 seasons ago but he was overrated. Law is my favorite corner but get real.
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Old 05-28-2007, 09:58 AM    (permalink
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1. Champ Bailey
2. Asante Samuel
3. Rasheed Mathis
4. Chris McAlister
5. Ken Lucas


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guess im by myself in thinking ronde barber is still a top 5 corner in the league
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Old 05-28-2007, 01:21 PM    (permalink
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As a Patriot fan..i have a question for ya'll. Why is Samuel so high on your list? I think u can put him top 10 but top 5..some as early as #2? Please ..explain
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Old 05-28-2007, 01:50 PM    (permalink
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Most game planned for, I didn't even say he was the best regardless of position. You can't read and cannot recall, so why comment.

Besides, Ronde regardless of system isn't a top 5 QB.
Ronde is not a top 5 CB, I love the guy, but he is not quite what he used to be.
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1. Champ Bailey
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Old 05-28-2007, 01:56 PM    (permalink
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You keep saying he's a shut down corner, when he couldn't shut down the team's number two WR and couldn't shut down steve smith either. So which is it?

He allowed at least one TD last year, Ken Lucas has allowed 3 in two years, THAT IS IT, and he was injured pretty much all of last year.
Touchdowns allowed is an overrated stat when the safeties play over the top a lot of the time. 5 catches for 46 yards is not a big game. Steve Smith dominated Samari Rolle, not Chris McCalister in that game. Rolle's coverage was pathetic and he gave up massive td catches that shouldn't have been. In scope of how that game turned out McCalister didn't do half bad. I just gave you an example of a commonly acknowledged shut down corner (Champ Bailey) getting beat in a game. McCalister wasn't beat nearly that bad. So unless you're saying Lucas is better than Bailey, which I wouldn't be surprised by since you are a massive homer, then I don't see what your point is.
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Old 05-28-2007, 06:27 PM    (permalink
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Touchdowns allowed is an overrated stat when the safeties play over the top a lot of the time. 5 catches for 46 yards is not a big game. Steve Smith dominated Samari Rolle, not Chris McCalister in that game. Rolle's coverage was pathetic and he gave up massive td catches that shouldn't have been. In scope of how that game turned out McCalister didn't do half bad. I just gave you an example of a commonly acknowledged shut down corner (Champ Bailey) getting beat in a game. McCalister wasn't beat nearly that bad. So unless you're saying Lucas is better than Bailey, which I wouldn't be surprised by since you are a massive homer, then I don't see what your point is.
No where did I say Lucas was better than Bailey, just that McAllister was overrated. I know you'll struggle with simple concepts like following the conversation so focus here.

Steve Smith dominated Samari Rolle, but in the third quarter there were several instances where the offense shifted Smith to the other side and he faced McAllister, where he didn't get hindered at all either.

Keyshawn caught all but one ball thrown his way and produced higher than his season average as a number two receiver.

Oh and you saying that TDs allowed is a ******** statistic, last year our starting safeties were Mike Minter and Colin Branch... You want to tell me that's an all pro pair? Or even both of them are equal to Ed Reed?

Get over yourself. McAllister is good, but he's not number 2.
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No where did I say Lucas was better than Bailey, just that McAllister was overrated. I know you'll struggle with simple concepts like following the conversation so focus here.

Steve Smith dominated Samari Rolle, but in the third quarter there were several instances where the offense shifted Smith to the other side and he faced McAllister, where he didn't get hindered at all either.

Keyshawn caught all but one ball thrown his way and produced higher than his season average as a number two receiver.

Oh and you saying that TDs allowed is a ******** statistic, last year our starting safeties were Mike Minter and Colin Branch... You want to tell me that's an all pro pair? Or even both of them are equal to Ed Reed?

Get over yourself. McAllister is good, but he's not number 2.
Get over myself? What are you talking about? That doesn't even apply here since you're the one who stubbornly won't admit that a player from a different team is better than Ken Lucas. If you think Keyshawn having 46 yards and 5 receptions proves that McCalister is not the second best corner in the game, you are completely dillusional. Anyway look at the fantastic interception he made in that game and how he kept his feet in bounds.

Since you are so blatantly a homer that you can't accept multitudes of people telling you you are wrong there are several games where Lucas performed poorly, (which you can't say for McCalister in the Panthers game, that was an average outing.). How about the first game of the season against the Falcons. Michael Jenkins had 3 receptions for 77 yards and a TD. His TD catch he caught right in front of Lucas, who missed the tackle, and Jenkins took it to the house. You're saying that Key getting his measly 46 yards is bad? Lucas let the amazingly mediocre WR that is Michael Jenkins have his best game of the season against him. How about the Bucs game where he played too shallow to let Galloway catch the TD? The complete domination in Dallas? In the second Tampa Bay game Galloway did better against Lucas than Keyshawn did against McCalister.

Lucas had a down season, so he is not in the top 5. McCalister is a fantastic CB who was consistently great, but really broke out this season as far as getting picks.

As for Ed Reed they let him play centerfield a lot in Baltimore's defense. Landry and Reed are good enough that they don't want to waste their talents just playing them 2 deep. The Panthers do that a lot, so yes in their case I say TD's allowed is an overrated stat.
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Lucas was injured in training camp and missed three starts, he didn't play in another 3 games past a few downs. He was injured most of the year and still only gave up 2 touchdowns, less touchdowns overall than McAllister.
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Lucas was injured in training camp and missed three starts, he didn't play in another 3 games past a few downs. He was injured most of the year and still only gave up 2 touchdowns, less touchdowns overall than McAllister.
I've heard three, plus no offense but your safeties kind of blow so two deep is about all they are capable of, similar to what the Cowboys did a lot. Most players in the NFL play hurt, it's a part of the game. Lucas didn't have a great season last season, which puts him a little behind the guys who had a good season last year. That's why he's not in my top 10. This season he will probably be back in.
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Three in two years

He's top 5, if you have him ranked differently you're wrong. Its that simple.
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He's top 5, if you have him ranked differently you're wrong. Its that simple.
Or I'm not a Lucas fanboy, you're just not impartial enough to make an accurate ranking. As of right now he is not top 5. If he dominates this season, I will put him there.
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In this thread, DeAngelo Hall has been mentioned about 50 times, but Pacman Jones has been mentioned only once.

Pacman takes a lot of flak for his off-field antics, and deservedly so.....the guy's an idiot.

But on the field, he shuts people down. After struggling in the season opener, I don't remember him allowing a single completion of more than 15 yards in 2006....and even those were few and far between.

Most teams didn't throw at him at all. Those that did paid dearly.

It's a shame that his talent is so badly overshadowed by his behavior, because he's truly one of the most amazing players in the league.
Thank you. I think a lot of people throw Pacman off the table because of his off field antics...when he is on the field I think he could easily have an argument made for him being a top 5 corner...hes flat out shut down...when hes on the field that is.
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1.Champ -the best hands down no one really comes close
2.Chris McAlister- great cover guy and is very good in run support
3. Terrence Newman- has let up only 3 TDS in the past 3 years. and cover slot in nickel formation
4.Nate Clements- will play up to his contract, a top cover guy for sure
5. Leah Boden- still needs to get his name out there but has been very good in his playing time, will show it to the world this year
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Lucas was injured in training camp and missed three starts, he didn't play in another 3 games past a few downs. He was injured most of the year and still only gave up 2 touchdowns, less touchdowns overall than McAllister.
i can tell by this post that cunningham's argument got to you
anyway, IMO ken lucas is underrated and his stas 2 and 3 years ago say that he can be a top 5 corner, but i dont see how you can say he is better than mcalister
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I'm not saying he's better than McAllister, what I'm saying is that McAllister being the second best corner by everyone's consideration and Ken Lucas not being included in the top 5 is ridiculous because there's been times and there are areas where and when Lucas has outperformed him.
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